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Old November 24th, 2006, 11:21 AM   #61
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that isn't a good comparison, unless the IEDs are being set by U.S. soldiers.
No Sparky, you're missing the point. You're making the classic liberal assumption that all people live and see the world like you do.

With all of the challenges of daily life in urban Iraq either now, or under Saddam's reign this is no big deal.

It isn't a matter of being desensitized - it's a different way of life, standard of living, and sense of perspectives.

As I said, it's not model behavior (which is why they were smart enough not to identify themselves). However, in light of kidnappings, IEDs, beheadings, midnight executions, and suicide bombers it's pretty low on the ladder.

You can't overlay your priviliged sensibilities on this and make them apply.

What they did is no worse than a bunch of 20-something USCG PSU guys discovering just how well a Raider boat pulls water skiiers while the yacht hosting Senator and Mrs. John Glenn takes on water awaiting delivery of a dewatering pump. :tonka: Kids will be kids - and occasionally they need to blow off a little steam...
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Old November 24th, 2006, 11:33 AM   #62
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No Sparky, you're missing the point. You're making the classic liberal assumption that all people live and see the world like you do.

With all of the challenges of daily life in urban Iraq either now, or under Saddam's reign this is no big deal.

It isn't a matter of being desensitized - it's a different way of life, standard of living, and sense of perspectives.

As I said, it's not model behavior (which is why they were smart enough not to identify themselves). However, in light of kidnappings, IEDs, beheadings, midnight executions, and suicide bombers it's pretty low on the ladder.

You can't overlay your priviliged sensibilities on this and make them apply.

What they did is no worse than a bunch of 20-something USCG PSU guys discovering just how well a Raider boat pulls water skiiers while the yacht hosting Senator and Mrs. John Glenn takes on water awaiting delivery of a dewatering pump. :tonka: Kids will be kids - and occasionally they need to blow off a little steam...
ok, the nerdy kid at school gets picked on all the time and is used to it. Does that make it right to keep picking on him?

its not cool, saying that it's no big deal isn't cool.
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Old November 24th, 2006, 11:41 AM   #63
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with you calling them idiots and bufoons and scum i believe you brought my first response on yourself.
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Funny how since Mike posted this the GL stance is that they are just having fun. I wonder what the verdict would be if say Duffman posted the video with a statment of how they should not have been doing it. I bet the responses would be a complete 180.

It's not right and they give all soilders a bad name but if you can't see that then I'm sorry for you.
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My point is and was this:

What they did is not right. If I would've caught them I would've made them unhappy groundpounders. Not official type trouble, but shitty (meaning unpleasant & menial, not dangerous) duty type trouble.

However, in the bigger picture it's nothing. I take exception to a college kid with his ass parked safely in Mt. P, debating whether he'd move to Canada before doing any compulsory public service, criticizing these guys ("our brave soldiers in Iraq"). THEY are due some slack. Period.

I won't get all personal or start tossing f-bombs. I completed my college education, and then stepped up and did my bit - not because I was brainwashed or stupid, but because it was my turn. I didn't get to stay in long because I had a little problem with a broken back that got me a medical discharge. After that, I contributed by joining the defense contracting business. This permits me to speak up - it's called credibility.
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You two ain't nothing but trolls. Here only for one reason and thats too piss people off. Way too go through life assholes.

Ironically I have meet asswipes like you in person and they sit in the corner with their thumbs up their ass.

You two talk up a storm on line and are pussies in person.
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You two ain't nothing but trolls. Here only for one reason and thats too piss people off. Way too go through life assholes.

Ironically I have meet asswipes like you in person and they sit in the corner with their thumbs up their ass.

You two talk up a storm on line and are pussies in person.
I'm sure duffman does not appricate you talking about him like that and Mike could care less
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You know who the hell I'm talking about prick, I mean Troll.
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You know who the hell I'm talking about prick, I mean Troll.
trolls that have been around longer than you. at least we don't tell people to "shut the fukc up" or call them pricks.

to each his own.
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Just saw the video. I don't approve of what they did. It they were under my command, I would make them do some push ups or something. Not everybody is perfect. War has a way of changing people. Some for the better, some for the worse. I'm not going to pass judgement on them as I know that they don't represent EVERYBODY in the military. It doesn't paint a flattering picture for our guys when their doing what they did. But hell, I still don't see anything wrong with stripping an insergent naked and taping wires to his fingers while he wears a hood. I thought that picture was downright funny. The guy was in no danger. We had worse things happen to us as "Cherries" back when you could actually haze. The world ain't a perfect place. Bottom line is those two soldiers are providing the ability for us to have this forum discussion, pain and simple. God Bless the Troops.
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Funny how since Mike posted this the GL stance is that they are just having fun. I wonder what the verdict would be if say Duffman posted the video with a statment of how they should not have been doing it. I bet the responses would be a complete 180.

It's not right and they give all soilders a bad name but if you can't see that then I'm sorry for you.
I wonder if they think it would be "soldiers just having fun" if it were their kids.

I see a future terrorist in the making. But what do I know. Im just a commie,
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trolls that have been around longer than you. at least we don't tell people to "shut the fukc up" or call them pricks.

to each his own.


How about Shut your pie hole !
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How about Shut your pie hole !
That was almost civilized. I'm semi-impressed.
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I wonder if they think it would be "soldiers just having fun" if it were their kids.

I see a future terrorist in the making. But what do I know. Im just a commie,
Well thats an interesting point of view. . .
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I see a future terrorist in the making. But what do I know. Im just a commie,
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Well thats an interesting point of view. . .
Someone like you mikeL would think "we made" someone a terrorist. Its not radical islam clerics, or local government. Its we didnt give him free water fast enough that he didnt even have a right to. Yeah So is it safe to say anyone who is teased, taunted, or hazed is likely and justifed to be a terrorist? School shootings like columbine ?

I have been teased, picked on taunted, hazed i never wanted to strap a bomb to myself once. Also made to run with out water ALLOT farther than that kid. That kid didnt even run a half mile! I would willingly runs many miles playing basketball for 4-5 hours straight, or run miles playing lacross. That kid was not tortured. Heres a crazy angle i have seen little kids running for exercise and just for fun! MikeL your one sick twisted dude if you think that is grooming for a terrosist in that video.
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You two ain't nothing but trolls. Here only for one reason and thats too piss people off. Way too go through life assholes.

Ironically I have meet asswipes like you in person and they sit in the corner with their thumbs up their ass.

You two talk up a storm on line and are pussies in person.
I agree with you.

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trolls that have been around longer than you. at least we don't tell people to "shut the fukc up" or call them pricks.

to each his own.
And I have been around forever...and can say shut your pie hole.:tonka:
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You two ain't nothing but trolls. Here only for one reason and thats too piss people off. Way too go through life assholes.

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I agree with you.

Wow, this forum sure did get full of e-penis real quick.
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Just saw the video. I don't approve of what they did. It they were under my command, I would make them do some push ups or something. Not everybody is perfect. War has a way of changing people. Some for the better, some for the worse. I'm not going to pass judgement on them as I know that they don't represent EVERYBODY in the military. It doesn't paint a flattering picture for our guys when their doing what they did. But hell, I still don't see anything wrong with stripping an insergent naked and taping wires to his fingers while he wears a hood. I thought that picture was downright funny. The guy was in no danger. We had worse things happen to us as "Cherries" back when you could actually haze. The world ain't a perfect place. Bottom line is those two soldiers are providing the ability for us to have this forum discussion, pain and simple. God Bless the Troops.


I represent those soldiers, because I have done exactly that kind of shit in Sadr City. In fact, I condone it. There's actually even a tactical value to it. If you were under my command and compalined about that, I would plop your ass behind a desk on the FOB for the entire deployment because I would not want you outside the wire with me. I think the people in this thread that are whining about that video should stay in their sheltered little worlds and let other people do the job that you obviously can't handle. If you're whining about that video, you are an ignorant fukc and haven't a damn clue what you are talking about. I don't care who I have offended by that last statement, because its the truth.


When the same size/age kids in that video on the next block that you haven't made run or done anything to throw pieces of cinderblock, marble, watermelon, garbage, sewage, rocks, and glass bottles full of used motor oil at you, do you really think anybody really gives a fukc if you make them run for water? How about the ones on cellphones that call in your position?


We used to do that shit all the time. Know why? Because those worthess fucks over there EXPECT us to give them water - like that was our job. They demand it from you because they are used to being given truckloads of it by the US Government daily. Its not his "personal water bottle" - urban units are given cases of water daily to hand out. The little fucks beat on the truck windows demanding water, money, MRE's, etc when you stop and then the kids will take the water bottles and sell them on the next corner. Children supply a large percentage of the family income over there. Besides, if there are kids around or running after your trucks, you are a lot less likely to have something explode in your immediate vicinity.

Until you go, you will never understand. Sova will also never understand that the kid that got the bottle will go home and say one of the following to his family with pride:

"An American Soldier gave me this water."

"I beat out all the other kids and won this water from an American Soldier."

"I got this money for us by selling a bottle of water from an American Soldier."



What he won't say is:

"An American Soldier wouldn't give me any water."

"I got my ass kicked by all the other kids becasue I'm a lazy shit."



The kids that didn't get a bottle won't become terrorists. In fact, they won't say anything at all because they chose to give up and not compete for it.



If you candy-asses can't handle war, stay the fukc home and shut the fukc up. This thread is by far one of the dumbest things that has ever been posted on this site. Its not the video that the Soldiers should be embarassed about. The embarassing part is having volunteered their lives to defend the freedoms of people like you. Don't presume to speak about someone like that who has done such a thing for you, you ungrateful piles of shit.
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Thanks for your insight which completed my thoughts that you are a piece of shit just like the two idiots in the video but I wouldn't expect anything else from you. I'm glad teasing underprivliged dirt poor kids is the way to go to obtain respect and win a war, or maybe it's the way to stay alive until the Gov. realizes that this so called peace keeping mission is worthless and pulls everyone home.


Why to show the pride of an american soldier.

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