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Old November 24th, 2006, 11:53 AM   #41
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Keep up the hardwork in becoming the biggest dickhead.

Take the hint from my last posts and just shut the fukc up.

Thanks for the advice and he's a little for you.

Keep up the hard work in school big guy cause I hear that you have a dad that didn't retrain when he knew the gravy train was pulling out of the station and now . . . , I guess keep up the good work and buy American cause in your mind that will stop globalization
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Old November 24th, 2006, 11:56 AM   #42
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I had missed Duffmans post but he is saying the same thing i had typed below . I also see we are of the same age . Been there seen it done it . Those that think he and i are wrong may want to do some history of business in the US .


84 scrambler im just as boggled by your train of thought . You state number of people per country . We have never out number the asians but we did out produce them .

What you seem to miss is back in the 70's when Toyota was shipping cars here for very little taxation GM or Ford auto's was taxed right out of the price range of every one in there country .

Lay off the " help the poor country " shit and turn the table . They want to export there products here for little due to there ungodly low labor . Then tax that shit up to to a price range that is not so appealing . Those countries kill our sales by goverment action while our goverment refused to do the same to them .

We let them them kill the sale of our US products for way to long . They have the money dont they ? Time to end this shit or it only gets worse down the road . In time the USA will be to damn poor to defined its self if we needed too .

The greed of major companies auto and other wise has not helped either . I recall the UAW barking all over tv " Buy American " while the auto makers were buying metric bolts to save money . That sort of mentality is what started a long down hill spiral for the USA . The top 10 or 20 % of income makers do not make the world go around , it is the average working man making a fair income that creates our economy . The middle man wage is leaving and we will end up like Europe , the have and have nots no middle class .

Personally I think that would all work except that our Government is in debt up to the eyeballs and who holds the debt you might ask and that answer to that is China and Japan. Raising tariffs would be okay if we weren't so worried about them cashing in their bonds.
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Thanks for the advice and he's a little for you.

Keep up the hard work in school big guy cause I hear that you have a dad that didn't retrain when he knew the gravy train was pulling out of the station and now . . . , I guess keep up the good work and buy American cause in your mind that will stop globalization
I am still amazed by how much of an asshole you are. Did I ever insult your Father? No, I didn't. So what in your fucked up left wing mind thinks it's ok to insult other people's parents? I explained to you in plain English how he had his resume out there, has an assload of experience, and is trained in just about every fucking CAD program on the computer, but you, just like every other assmunching ignorant liberal fuckwad, don't know how to read crystal clear facts in front of you.

I don't know what else to tell you, except that I hope you being such a fucking cocksucker catches up with you one day.
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Old November 24th, 2006, 01:50 PM   #44
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I am still amazed by how much of an asshole you are. Did I ever insult your Father? No, I didn't. So what in your fucked up left wing mind thinks it's ok to insult other people's parents? I explained to you in plain English how he had his resume out there, has an assload of experience, and is trained in just about every fucking CAD program on the computer, but you, just like every other assmunching ignorant liberal fuckwad, don't know how to read crystal clear facts in front of you.

I don't know what else to tell you, except that I hope you being such a fucking cocksucker catches up with you one day.
I guess you missed the whole retrain thing. I'm glad he has and I quote, " is trained in just about every fucking CAD program on the computer" but since they are shipping those jobs away from the US I guess they are not all that important as he would have once thought in relation to finding a job so a working who's skills are being shipped out must RETRAIN in something else.

So can you understand the need to retrain or is you profanity spewing brain not capable of understand that concept since there isn't a cuss word helping explain the situation?
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I guess you missed the whole retrain thing. I'm glad he has and I quote, " is trained in just about every fucking CAD program on the computer" but since they are shipping those jobs away from the US I guess they are not all that important as he would have once thought in relation to finding a job so a working who's skills are being shipped out must RETRAIN in something else.

So can you understand the need to retrain or is you profanity spewing brain not capable of understand that concept since there isn't a cuss word helping explain the situation?
Explain to me how a 58 year old man re-trains in something. Why the hell would you spend a year or two re-training when retirement is around the corner?

I know you won't have a problem at that age though, because you'll have your Porsche (that you hopefully wrap around a tree) and be some CEO to some company and never go through anything an average middle class man will.

Your whole problem with thinking senior citizens should re-train to stay in the job force is a little unreasonable on your part. It's not that easy to drop life with your wife, kids, grandkids, etc. When you're that old you're not going to want to completley change your life to do things, you'll be set in your ways.
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this pisses me off. you know what else pisses me off? when some one is complaining about the economy but happens to drive A FOREIGN FUCKIN CAR!!!

im a protectionist and i think we should increase tarriffs so it is no longer proftiable for other countries to dump cheap shit on our countries market. unfortunatly most people are too stupid to realize this so maybe we should just nuke em.

to sum it all up, Globalization will probaly only help the rich get richer and screw our country in the ass.
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Grandman and Slayer - This goes to show you know absolutely NOTHING about foreign politics, the financial markets, or the economy in general. Our fucked up government (now run by even more fucked up ) buy our extra spending money from other countries, such as India, China, Japan, and Saudi Arabia. They OWN this country. If they decide to sell off these debt instruments or the billions of American dollars, our country would be crushed overnight. Nuclear bombs and airplanes flying into buildings are nothing compared to the pure chaos that would result if we piss off any of these countries. Yeah, let's raise the import tariffs on Chinese goods. You know what happens? The Chinese government sells off a few billion of their US debt or American currency reserves. This pushes the value of the dollar down, which makes it even harder for Americans to buy the products that we need. You can quote all you want about how it was in the 70's. That was 30 years ago. It's over. The world stopped behaving like the 70's in 1980. We are no longer the big guy on the block. We could be, but it will take a massive shift in US foreign and domestic policy that will reduce government spending, foreign aid, dependence on foreign energy supplies, etc... In other words, we are our own worst enemy. Americans are apathetic. Yes, there are some who actively give a shit. But the rest don't give a shit as long as their paycheck or food stamps show up when they are supposed to. Get your head out of the sand. I don't support globalization. However, like I've repeatedly said, it is the way the world works now. Nobody in power gives a shit how it used to work, or how it should work. Until someone causes a catastrophic collapse of our financial system, nobody in the US is going to do anything about what is happening. Fortunately, they are currently dependent on our ability to purchase all their cheap stuff at WalMart. If nobody buys it, they lose their power over us. Unfortunately, nobody on US soil makes the products we need to survive. At least not in the quantities that would be needed to support ourselves again. Unless the buying patterns of US consumers change, and US businesses make strides to supply products affordably, then we are in for a long downfall.
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its all george bushes fault
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Grandman and Slayer - This goes to show you know absolutely NOTHING about foreign politics, the financial markets, or the economy in general. Our fucked up government (now run by even more fucked up ) buy our extra spending money from other countries, such as India, China, Japan, and Saudi Arabia. They OWN this country. If they decide to sell off these debt instruments or the billions of American dollars, our country would be crushed overnight. Nuclear bombs and airplanes flying into buildings are nothing compared to the pure chaos that would result if we piss off any of these countries. Yeah, let's raise the import tariffs on Chinese goods. You know what happens? The Chinese government sells off a few billion of their US debt or American currency reserves. This pushes the value of the dollar down, which makes it even harder for Americans to buy the products that we need. You can quote all you want about how it was in the 70's. That was 30 years ago. It's over. The world stopped behaving like the 70's in 1980. We are no longer the big guy on the block. We could be, but it will take a massive shift in US foreign and domestic policy that will reduce government spending, foreign aid, dependence on foreign energy supplies, etc... In other words, we are our own worst enemy. Americans are apathetic. Yes, there are some who actively give a shit. But the rest don't give a shit as long as their paycheck or food stamps show up when they are supposed to. Get your head out of the sand. I don't support globalization. However, like I've repeatedly said, it is the way the world works now. Nobody in power gives a shit how it used to work, or how it should work. Until someone causes a catastrophic collapse of our financial system, nobody in the US is going to do anything about what is happening. Fortunately, they are currently dependent on our ability to purchase all their cheap stuff at WalMart. If nobody buys it, they lose their power over us. Unfortunately, nobody on US soil makes the products we need to survive. At least not in the quantities that would be needed to support ourselves again. Unless the buying patterns of US consumers change, and US businesses make strides to supply products affordably, then we are in for a long downfall.
Duuuuh we can just have Bono petition on our behalf to have our debts forgiven! We have enough blacks in america he should be on board with that idea .... right ?
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Your whole problem with thinking senior citizens should re-train to stay in the job force is a little unreasonable on your part. It's not that easy to drop life with your wife, kids, grandkids, etc. When you're that old you're not going to want to completley change your life to do things, you'll be set in your ways.
I agree and that sucks for them at that age and I can only hope that he and others of similar age and experiences did some thinking about retirement.
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Grandman and Slayer - This goes to show you know absolutely NOTHING about foreign politics, the financial markets, or the economy in general. Our fucked up government (now run by even more fucked up ) buy our extra spending money from other countries, such as India, China, Japan, and Saudi Arabia. They OWN this country. If they decide to sell off these debt instruments or the billions of American dollars, our country would be crushed overnight. Nuclear bombs and airplanes flying into buildings are nothing compared to the pure chaos that would result if we piss off any of these countries. Yeah, let's raise the import tariffs on Chinese goods. You know what happens? The Chinese government sells off a few billion of their US debt or American currency reserves. This pushes the value of the dollar down, which makes it even harder for Americans to buy the products that we need. You can quote all you want about how it was in the 70's. That was 30 years ago. It's over. The world stopped behaving like the 70's in 1980. We are no longer the big guy on the block. We could be, but it will take a massive shift in US foreign and domestic policy that will reduce government spending, foreign aid, dependence on foreign energy supplies, etc... In other words, we are our own worst enemy. Americans are apathetic. Yes, there are some who actively give a shit. But the rest don't give a shit as long as their paycheck or food stamps show up when they are supposed to. Get your head out of the sand. I don't support globalization. However, like I've repeatedly said, it is the way the world works now. Nobody in power gives a shit how it used to work, or how it should work. Until someone causes a catastrophic collapse of our financial system, nobody in the US is going to do anything about what is happening. Fortunately, they are currently dependent on our ability to purchase all their cheap stuff at WalMart. If nobody buys it, they lose their power over us. Unfortunately, nobody on US soil makes the products we need to survive. At least not in the quantities that would be needed to support ourselves again. Unless the buying patterns of US consumers change, and US businesses make strides to supply products affordably, then we are in for a long downfall.


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Well not entirely but have you seen the increase in national debt since he's been office??
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no shit. and they like to lay the blame down on clinton.

funny how people blame michigans economy on granholm even though it was fucked up before she even got the job.
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no shit. and they like to lay the blame down on clinton.

funny how people blame michigans economy on granholm even though it was fucked up before she even got the job.

I think it's funny the way people will pick and choose whether to blame the current administeration or the previous one depending on which way they lean politically.
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I think asking whether people are for or against globalization is like asking if thier for or against rain. It's just what is. You can't stop it.

In some ways we can't live without it. We simply can't produce as much as we consume. But I think the American companies, the thier stock holders, are being short sighted. they want big profits today without caring about tomorrow. They have forgotten what Henry Ford knew, that if your workers can buy your products you'll sell more. It seems many now think they can just have people in other countries make everything, but eventually there will be no one left that can afford to buy anything.

As much as I hate to say it I see no way but down for us. The only way we can compete on price is if our standard of living drops to near thier level. And were seeing more and more that we can't compete on quality or advanced technology like we once did.
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Amen Bruce.

It's been building for much longer than one presidential term or congressional cycle, and both parties are equally guilty of not wanting to tell the hard truth or take the hard actions.
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Chiefwoohaw, with all due respect (which might not be much) don't talk shit about shit you know nothing about. You a punk college kid. You've never had to support a family. you've never spend 30 years in a profession only to be told "sorry, we don't need you any more". Sure, I'm sure GM's dad could have retrained at something else, but what chances do you suppose he would have, at 58 years old with 0 years experiance at breaking into a new line of work. As you will probably soon learn, finding an entry level job is not easy, especially in a poor economy. Being near retirement age doesn't help.
Do you know anything about GM's dad or his level of skill and training? If not that I agree with others... STFU!
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I think asking whether people are for or against globalization is like asking if thier for or against rain. It's just what is. You can't stop it.
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Pretty much what I was getting at but just wondered who felt the need to vote against it . . .

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Chiefwoohaw, with all due respect (which might not be much) don't talk shit about shit you know nothing about. You a punk college kid. You've never had to support a family. you've never spend 30 years in a profession only to be told "sorry, we don't need you any more". Sure, I'm sure GM's dad could have retrained at something else, but what chances do you suppose he would have, at 58 years old with 0 years experiance at breaking into a new line of work. As you will probably soon learn, finding an entry level job is not easy, especially in a poor economy. Being near retirement age doesn't help.
Do you know anything about GM's dad or his level of skill and training? If not that I agree with others... STFU!
Well, SS is only 9 years away . . . I hope you have a retirement plan set up Mr. Brewmenn. And GM will be happy you agreed with him I'm sure. Thanks for the imput about on Globalization since it's very accurate in my own oppion.
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I hope you have a retirement plan set up Mr. Brewmenn.
My plan is to work til I'm dead.

But I hope to have my house paid for within 5 years so maybe my next job will involve the phrase "would you like fries with that?"

I could live off that.
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I think asking whether people are for or against globalization is like asking if thier for or against rain. It's just what is. You can't stop it.

In some ways we can't live without it. We simply can't produce as much as we consume. But I think the American companies, the thier stock holders, are being short sighted. they want big profits today without caring about tomorrow. They have forgotten what Henry Ford knew, that if your workers can buy your products you'll sell more. It seems many now think they can just have people in other countries make everything, but eventually there will be no one left that can afford to buy anything.

As much as I hate to say it I see no way but down for us. The only way we can compete on price is if our standard of living drops to near thier level. And were seeing more and more that we can't compete on quality or advanced technology like we once did.
Not to debate with myself but I thought about it and it's really everyone...

CEO's and stock holders want maximum profits...
Unions want miximum wages and benifits...
consumers want minimum costs...
and our government leaders want to make freinds with as many other nations as possible...

But none of them are really looking at the long term effect.


In short... we're screwed.
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