What u-joints do we like for XJ D30's? - Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest

Go Back   Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest > 4x4 Talk > Jeep Tech
GL4x4 Live! GL4x4 Casino

greatlakes4x4.com is the premier Great Lakes 4x4 Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
Search
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old December 29th, 2005, 11:33 AM   #1
PavementPounder
I am the law.
 
PavementPounder's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: Birmingham, Michigan 48009
Posts: 29,824
iTrader: (224)
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Default What u-joints do we like for XJ D30's?

I replaced the front u-joints on my CJ back before I went away and can't remember for the life of me what brand they were or whether they were greaseable or non-greaseable. Its buried in the garage and I don't feel like getting all dirty trying to get to it right now.

I'm also shopping around for hubs, although I'm not sure they really need to be replaced just yet. The u-joints are worn, so I figure as long as I have the shit all apart, I will put new hub and rotors on since this is a used vehicle and everything is unknown. I plan to go with the slotted and crossdrilled rotors and Hawk pads that have been great on my Ram.
PavementPounder is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old December 29th, 2005, 11:54 AM   #2
cornfed
I have an avatar. Yippee.
 
cornfed's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-04-05
Location: Happy Funtown U.S.A.
Posts: 4,108
iTrader: (22)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

Spicer or Napa's Brute Force.
cornfed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 29th, 2005, 12:22 PM   #3
Tonka
YJ build in progress
 
Tonka's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: Lapeer Township, Mi.
Posts: 2,063
iTrader: (9)
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Send a message via AIM to Tonka Send a message via Yahoo to Tonka
Default

spicer
Tonka is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 29th, 2005, 12:25 PM   #4
PavementPounder
I am the law.
 
PavementPounder's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: Birmingham, Michigan 48009
Posts: 29,824
iTrader: (224)
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Default

Ah yes, Brute Force was what I used on the CJ and I believe they were non-greaseable. I'll check out the Spicers.
PavementPounder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 29th, 2005, 01:01 PM   #5
xjjeepthing
XJ Slut
 
xjjeepthing's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-15-05
Location: Plymouth Indiana
Posts: 367
iTrader: (0)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Send a message via Yahoo to xjjeepthing
Default

Napa axle joints for your 98 XJ

378 without Antilock
377 with Anti

377 in Spicer is 52971x
378 in spicer is 52601x

Hope that helps
xjjeepthing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 29th, 2005, 09:03 PM   #6
Buggy_Tim
(513) 891-8372
 
Buggy_Tim's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: Sault Sainte Marie
Posts: 11,752
iTrader: (12)
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Default

Brute Force are stronger but not greasable. I run the Brute Force and then just change them when they wear out. I have had less breakage with Brute force.
Buggy_Tim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 29th, 2005, 09:08 PM   #7
shawn
Resident HVAC/R Jambi
 
shawn's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: Milford/Commerce
Posts: 9,996
iTrader: (24)
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Send a message via Yahoo to shawn
Default

Brute Force ROCKS!!
shawn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 29th, 2005, 10:50 PM   #8
PavementPounder
I am the law.
 
PavementPounder's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: Birmingham, Michigan 48009
Posts: 29,824
iTrader: (224)
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Default

If this was for a driveshaft, I would agree on just changing them. Ripping all the hub crap off is a pain in the ass and I won't be going through them that quickly in this vehicle. Thanks for the part # conversions!
PavementPounder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 30th, 2005, 07:57 AM   #9
xjjeepthing
XJ Slut
 
xjjeepthing's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-15-05
Location: Plymouth Indiana
Posts: 367
iTrader: (0)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Send a message via Yahoo to xjjeepthing
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by PavementPounder
Thanks for the part # conversions!
No problem glad i could help ,its my job(NAPA)
xjjeepthing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 30th, 2005, 08:24 AM   #10
hosejockey4506
Visiting Admin
 
hosejockey4506's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-04-05
Location: fenton
Posts: 8,773
iTrader: (42)
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Default

i would use a spicer joint

i used to buy brute force all the time but when compairing the ujoints on my buggy you can tell a big difference between a spicer and a brute force, i have since changed all my joint to spicers except one.

not sure on a smaller joint there is alot of difference all mine are either 60 joints or 1410
__________________
one of Michigans 99% er club.
hosejockey4506 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 30th, 2005, 11:13 AM   #11
Monkeyevil
I <3 Miatas
 
Monkeyevil's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: Kalamazoo, MI
Posts: 8,987
iTrader: (16)
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Send a message via AIM to Monkeyevil
Default

What year XJ?

If it's older and non-ABS (smaller 260x joints) swap in some TJ shafts (or ABS shafts) and upgrade to 297's.

I usually use Brute Force in driveshafts because they die anyway... but for axle shafts use Spicer or Precision (from napa)
__________________
JcrOffroad
Zoom Zoom!
Monkeyevil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 30th, 2005, 03:21 PM   #12
PavementPounder
I am the law.
 
PavementPounder's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: Birmingham, Michigan 48009
Posts: 29,824
iTrader: (224)
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Default

Its a 98. I saw the size difference in the book at NAPA today regarding the ABS/non-ABS shafts. I have an ABS light on my dash, but I have never seen it light up or the system test itself upon start-up, so I'm sure I have the smaller joints. Looks like ABS became standard equipment in 99, as 99-01 are all the 1 3/16 OD joints. If I can find a set of TJ or ABS shafts quick enough, I'd consider it. The wheel hubs were in stock, and the rotors are coming tomorrow. Still have to order my brake pads. The TJ D30 is essentially the same housing? Same diameter shafts/bearings and same shaft length, etc but a bigger joint?

I was going to use the BF in the driveshaft at the axle. The guy at NAPA said he was very disappointed in the whole change from Spicer to Precision. Who carries Spicer? He couldn't tell me of anyone in the area (around Highland) except for Clyde's Frame and Wheel on Dixie Hwy.
PavementPounder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 30th, 2005, 04:28 PM   #13
Monkeyevil
I <3 Miatas
 
Monkeyevil's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: Kalamazoo, MI
Posts: 8,987
iTrader: (16)
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Send a message via AIM to Monkeyevil
Default

Weller auto carries spicer u-joints. A quick way to see if you have ABS is to look for an ABS pump on the driver fender.

You may have the larger u-joints even though you don't have ABS... I know Jeep started making them standard in the YJ after 95.
__________________
JcrOffroad
Zoom Zoom!
Monkeyevil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 30th, 2005, 06:42 PM   #14
PavementPounder
I am the law.
 
PavementPounder's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: Birmingham, Michigan 48009
Posts: 29,824
iTrader: (224)
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Default

Bah! Maybe I'll just hunt down the shafts so there's no guesswork.
PavementPounder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 31st, 2005, 08:09 AM   #15
silverxj
team 14b
 
silverxj's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: Davisburg
Posts: 5,617
iTrader: (64)
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Default

Spicers... I run the same ones that are in the D44 from a Rubicon.
silverxj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 31st, 2005, 01:08 PM   #16
PavementPounder
I am the law.
 
PavementPounder's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: Birmingham, Michigan 48009
Posts: 29,824
iTrader: (224)
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Default

Yes, but where do you get them in Oakland County?
PavementPounder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 31st, 2005, 01:10 PM   #17
Mclovin
"The Situation"
 
Mclovin's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-07-05
Location: Westland, Mi
Posts: 14,392
iTrader: (15)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Send a message via AIM to Mclovin Send a message via Yahoo to Mclovin
Default

i got brute force driveshaft u joints one time that were greaseable and they have held up to my abuse very well.. but axleshaft u joints i know are very different from D-shaft ones..
Mclovin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 20th, 2006, 06:32 AM   #18
PavementPounder
I am the law.
 
PavementPounder's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: Birmingham, Michigan 48009
Posts: 29,824
iTrader: (224)
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Default

I went to Clyde's Frame & Wheel in Pontiac yesterday in search of Spicer axle joints, which they had in stock. There are indeed two different size joints listed for the XJ D30. The size difference does not appear to be in the joint, but in the bearing cap diameter - there may be two different sets of shafts out there. They had to get out the caliper to determine which one I needed.

Next time I'm at the dealer, I'll look up ABS and non-ABS shaft part #'s.
PavementPounder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 20th, 2006, 11:55 AM   #19
GMCsonoma94
1 wheel peel
 
GMCsonoma94's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-06-05
Location: michigan
Posts: 1,577
iTrader: (0)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Send a message via AIM to GMCsonoma94
Default

i use the brute force ones alot but i was mad when they took the warrenty away. spicers are always hard to find it seems.
GMCsonoma94 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 31st, 2006, 09:52 PM   #20
Kawierider
Senior Member
 
Kawierider's Avatar
 
Join Date: 01-29-06
Location: Livonia
Posts: 1,532
iTrader: (2)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

If you looking for the larger shafts check out a place in dearborn called dearborn axle or something like that. I can find you the name of the place if your interested.


basically they will give you a rebuilt shaft for 60 bucks and your core. Make sure you tell the guy which one you want, he will tell you there's no difference, and thier isn't to a normal person. The difference in the shafts is that the earlier, smaller ones have a pressed on knuckle, the stronger ones are a single peice, and have the correct number from a bove on them.

If that is incorrect then I have the beefy U-joint in the weak shaft....doh lol
Kawierider is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply
Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest > 4x4 Talk > Jeep Tech

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:48 AM.


Powered by: vBulletin, Copyright 2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd. Runs best on HiVelocity Hosting.
Page generated in 0.24194 seconds with 80 queries