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Old November 8th, 2006, 04:30 PM   #1
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I would like to hear some thoughts on why people do not enjoy church, or are against it, etc. It may be because church people are a certain way, or because you don't find truth in it, or because you had a bad experience, or whatever.

This will not be a debate, just informational, I'm curious of people's opinions. I promise I wil not question anyone to death. Thanks!
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Old November 8th, 2006, 05:04 PM   #2
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Old November 8th, 2006, 05:19 PM   #3
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I personally don't attend church. I do like the whole social concept. Some of my family's closest friends are from church. I do not however like the concept of guilted into donations or forced into donations. Other than that its the whole sitting thru a service that gets me. I had an amazing discussion once with the pastor of my aunts church. Awesome guy and very open to discussing both sides of the fence. He understood my side, and I understood his.
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Old November 8th, 2006, 06:19 PM   #4
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Over the span of 46 years i have seen way to much hypocritical activities buy church members .

Condem me for what i do , but when no one is looking they do the same shit .

Things like our local catholic church which begs money to no end yet paid cash for the motel behind the church and are still running it as a motel . Odd they pay no tax .

The people that so claim there love of God yet i doubt 1/2 of them could stand up to me on morals that i have lived by . Ill not be judged by some one who only thinks there better then me .

Many churchs " demand " a percentage of your income . " Demand " ? hardly


Then when all that is said and done i try to think with pure logic . That leaves me clearly seeing evolution as truth .

As my Nephew says ( he is a strong church member ) Uncle it requires a leap of faith . Yep falling off a cliff works best if you " leap " too but its still illogical .
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Over the span of 46 years i have seen way to much hypocritical activities buy church members .

Condem me for what i do , but when no one is looking they do the same shit .

Things like our local catholic church which begs money to no end yet paid cash for the motel behind the church and are still running it as a motel . Odd they pay no tax .

The people that so claim there love of God yet i doubt 1/2 of them could stand up to me on morals that i have lived by . Ill not be judged by some one who only thinks there better then me .

Many churchs " demand " a percentage of your income . " Demand " ? hardly


Then when all that is said and done i try to think with pure logic . That leaves me clearly seeing evolution as truth .

As my Nephew says ( he is a strong church member ) Uncle it requires a leap of faith . Yep falling off a cliff works best if you " leap " too but its still illogical .
X2 to all of this. I would also add that I do not need some preacher to tell me what the bible says. I can make my own interpretation of the book just as well as he can. That being said, some people need the companionship that church has to offer and that is good. In addition, churchgoers do a lot of good things for the community, which is good, but not necessarily a reflection of the church, just the people.

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Old November 8th, 2006, 06:27 PM   #6
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I enjoy church, except for getting up early on Sunday mornings for it
I need to start going again....just been too darn busy on Sundays lately. I'm going wheelin' with my Pastor this Sat...so that sould get me excused from a few more Sunday masses right:tonka:
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I enjoy church, except for getting up early on Sunday mornings for it
I need to start going again....just been too darn busy on Sundays lately. I'm going wheelin' with my Pastor this Sat...so that sould get me excused from a few more Sunday masses right:tonka:
Nope your going to get lectured cause im printing this off to show him your poor exucuse . " to busy " That aint going to fly
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we go, but getting up early and getting the kids ready is a chore. Once we're on the way, it's all good again!
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I used to go to church regularly and even attended a Baptist college, however there was only so much hypocricy(sp.) that I could take. Everyone wants people to believe that they are the perfect christian yet when nobody's looking....well NOT.

If you look at all of the things that are going on in the world, you gotta wonder just what kind of a god could let this happen. I've heard people say "it's a test of your faith" or "it's gods will". Well if letting a child get beaten, raped, tortured and killed is gods will, then he/she is pretty f!^$ed up.

I don't care what anyone else believes, but if they push it on me we're gonna have issues. Been there, Done that.....aint going back.
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I don't like churches that have taken out the alter . . . and instead of kneeling and praying to God (like I believe you should) there are now people down at the front that can wisk you away and have a talk with you. If your headed down there then I believe you know what you need to do and who you need to talk to and it's not the Wiskers (that's what I call them :tonka:)

but besides that I love church and I love those good brimstone services where he tells you that without GOD you are going straight to hell . . . boy did those services bother me before I was saved.

I also love the presence of God that I personally feel doing a great sermon . . . some times God feels the need to actually show his presence even though I know he's always there and those times are my favorite!!
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Nope your going to get lectured cause im printing this off to show him your poor exucuse . " to busy " That aint going to fly
seriously. If I'm not working on a Sunday, I've been out of town. Been that way since I went back to work...I'll go alot more when I'm laid of this winter.
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Another think I like about church..........we eat alot at my church
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Old November 8th, 2006, 07:22 PM   #13
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I didn't mind the actual "going to church", but I've just done alot of thinking about the whole idea of religion and I'm just not sure about anything anymore. I'm not against church, but I don't like the amount of intolerance from most churches, especially my own, the Catholic church.
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Old November 8th, 2006, 07:36 PM   #14
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Personally I believe church is probably a good thing for some people.....there's the social side as well where you can hang with people that feel the same way. I've seen plenty of hypocricy in my day but that shouldn't stop people who want to go and hear the word of god interpreted or spoken by someone who is a good speaker.

Personally I don't go because I find it boring. I went to church/read the bible for the first 18 years of my life.

I'm a person of what I can see/hear/feel. Science makes a lot of sense to me and blind faith doesn't. In my opinion, the belief in God is pure faith. You can talk all day about the miracles around the world, but that doesn't help me one bit.

The bible is a lot of very good stories and a lot of good moral things...however still written by men....weather inspired by "god" or not.

So if anything....scientology would be my belief system.

earthly religions have been twisted too many times for bad use to believe that they are item to be believed.

I like cold hard facts.....and a few theories

I know this got twisted into a talk about religion in general and I think it will always be that way when discussing church as they go together..

Long story short....I find listening to rhetoric very boring....and would rather spend my time in the woods listening to nature (If I could just get far enough away from a road to do that :tonka: )

Just my $.02
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some of you said what you liked about church... start your own thread! LOL

So mostly its boring and filled with hypocrites, and has stories that don't jive with science. Does that pretty much sum it up so far?

Anyone else?
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Personally I believe church is probably a good thing for some people.....there's the social side as well where you can hang with people that feel the same way. I've seen plenty of hypocricy in my day but that shouldn't stop people who want to go and hear the word of god interpreted or spoken by someone who is a good speaker.

Personally I don't go because I find it boring. I went to church/read the bible for the first 18 years of my life.

I'm a person of what I can see/hear/feel. Science makes a lot of sense to me and blind faith doesn't. In my opinion, the belief in God is pure faith. You can talk all day about the miracles around the world, but that doesn't help me one bit.

The bible is a lot of very good stories and a lot of good moral things...however still written by men....weather inspired by "god" or not.

So if anything....scientology would be my belief system.

earthly religions have been twisted too many times for bad use to believe that they are item to be believed.

I like cold hard facts.....and a few theories

I know this got twisted into a talk about religion in general and I think it will always be that way when discussing church as they go together..

Long story short....I find listening to rhetoric very boring....and would rather spend my time in the woods listening to nature (If I could just get far enough away from a road to do that :tonka: )

Just my $.02
not to hijack.. but do you know about scientology? if so what theta level would you call yourself :D .. its typically a famous/rich person religion because they have higher theta levels o.O.. oh yah and that wierd dyanetix guy that created the religion and oh yah dont forget the aliens :) .. not knocking it just i think you are missusing the word scientology ..
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some of you said what you liked about church... start your own thread! LOL

So mostly its boring and filled with hypocrites, and has stories that don't jive with science. Does that pretty much sum it up so far?

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I used to go to church regularly and even attended a Baptist college, however there was only so much hypocricy(sp.) that I could take. Everyone wants people to believe that they are the perfect christian yet when nobody's looking....well NOT.

If you look at all of the things that are going on in the world, you gotta wonder just what kind of a god could let this happen. I've heard people say "it's a test of your faith" or "it's gods will". Well if letting a child get beaten, raped, tortured and killed is gods will, then he/she is pretty f!^$ed up.
I don't care what anyone else believes, but if they push it on me we're gonna have issues. Been there, Done that.....aint going back.
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I went to church November 9, 1996 that was my first and last time. One wife is enough for me.

Besides I believe Darwin.
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some of you said what you liked about church... start your own thread! LOL

So mostly its boring and filled with hypocrites, and has stories that don't jive with science. Does that pretty much sum it up so far?

Anyone else?
I think you have thinned the points a bit Dave . Dont jive with science is not so much my point as that it straight up ignores any common sense . They use faith to get around logic . If its raining you need a rain coat . Faith will not keep you dry .

There was 10 commandments , they are the 10 that will put you in a heaven if it so exsist . The rest of " religion " is a scare tactic to control you , They are also the 10 rules that a civlized world can run off .

I guess i was never to good at being bullied .

For the record i have no issues with any one that attends church . The only issue is if they want to push there ideas onto me . I will be polite and tell them im not interested . If they use some sense and drop it then no problem . To many insist you listen " there " going to save you .
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First and foremost I think a good christian church invites everyone to hear the word and come to know christ. It should not be an exclusive club. That being said, I also think that to share the word to everyone does not mean to say "you sin is OK". But rather to say "we all have sin, let's learn about how to live as Christ commands and wash away the sin in our life".

I was raised U.C.C (United Church of Christ) Now in these parts the U.C.C was primarily a evangelical church (ie. the "German" church very rooted in following scripture) although the church had always been a merger of the evangelical and congregational churches. Recently I learned that the whole of the UCC is moving away from the Evangelical church. In fact, the loose interpretation of the bible by the "new UCC" completely conflicts with what I consider to be the intent of Christ. Based on that I have not been to church in 1 year. I really need to find a church that follows scripture without having all the roman rituals of the catholic church. BTW, the UCC now has a commercial with two lesbian women holding hands, if you have seen it. Now that is not to say that I don't think gay people should go to church, but I also don't think they should be "celebrating" a sin that brought down cities in the bible. The UCC even has a huge lobby group in Washington supporting gay rights.

Here is a description of how polar the UCC church is from their website:

The United Church of Christ came into being in 1957 with the union of two Protestant denominations: the Evangelical and Reformed Church and the Congregational Christian Churches. Each of these was, in turn, the result of a union of two earlier traditions.

The Congregational Churches were organized when the Pilgrims of Plymouth Plantation (1620) and the Puritans of the Massachusetts Bay Colony (1629) acknowledged their essential unity in the Cambridge Platform of 1648.

The Reformed Church in the United States traced its beginnings to congregations of German settlers in Pennsylvania founded from 1725 on. Later, its ranks were swelled by Reformed immigrants from Switzerland, Hungary and other countries.

The Christian Churches sprang up in the late 1700s and early 1800s in reaction to the theological and organizational rigidity of the Methodist, Presbyterian and Baptist churches of the time.

The Evangelical Synod of North America traced its beginnings to an association of German Evangelical pastors in Missouri. This association, founded in 1841, reflected the 1817 union of Lutheran and Reformed churches in Germany.

Through the years, other groups such as American Indians, Afro-Christians, Asian Americans, Pacific Islanders, Volga Germans, Armenians, and Hispanic Americans have joined with the four earlier groups. In recent years, Christians from other traditions, including the Roman Catholic Church, have found a home in the UCC, and so have gay and lesbian Christians who have not been welcome in other churches. Thus the United Church of Christ celebrates and continues a broad variety of traditions in its common life.
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