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Old May 12th, 2014, 04:22 PM   #1
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I am getting some chromoly for my jeep and contemplating on superjoints is it worth the extra money
I will be running 38" super swampers on a hd44

Are thay worth the extra money
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Old May 12th, 2014, 04:29 PM   #2
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I broke a nongreasable Spicer last week which damaged my chromos. I wasn't sure if I was gonna be able to warranty my shafts or not. Thankfully I was able to. And also placed an order for Yukon super joints to replace the spicers.


Look into trail gears long field joints as well.
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Old May 12th, 2014, 04:29 PM   #3
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38s on a 44= need for spares
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Yukon Super Joints are not designed for daily drivers or high-speed vehicles. Some things to consider:

The Yukon Super Joint does not have needle bearings or brass sleeves to help deal with friction under the cap. The only way they deal with friction is the high-pressure grease you squirt in through the top of each cap. This means that regular (daily) maintenance is recommended to keep the Super Joint in top shape. That's 8 grease zerks for those keeping track.

The 4340 cross of the Super Joint is covered by the limited lifetime warranty, but the caps only have a 1-year warranty. The cross must be destroyed or completely un-usable for it to be covered. Scratched, galling, and wear are expected and are not covered by the breakage warranty.

If you are thinking about Super Joints, then the Yukon axle kits cannot be beat. Same with our Complete Offroad brand kits - while I can't tell you the brand of the Complete Offroad kits, I think you should be able to figure it out...call or PM me if you need confirmation.

But back to my point - when you buy Super Joints in these kits, you are getting a huge discount on the joints.

The Dana Spicers are good too - all my problems with Dana joints usually comes down to there being no full snap rings and just half circle clips. Whatever joint you use, be sure to get some snap rings.

here's an example on the kits. Disregard the USA Standard kit as they only come with a 1-year warranty on the shafts.

http://completeoffroad.com/search.html?q=ya+w24140&go=

edit: I do realize there are guys out there running Super Joints in daily drivers with out issue - I'm talking from the point of the manufacturer and what they were designed for. Use them however you want!
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I am running super joints. I've snapped cromoly shafts and yet to have the super joint fail.
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Old May 12th, 2014, 07:27 PM   #6
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Disclaimer; I fully respect the position of Complete Offroad and their obligation as a dealer to tell you "how" something should be run.

First off, if you are running a D44 on a daily driver, you SHOULD be running lockout hubs, so the style/type of joint shouldn't matter.

I ran all types of joints from no-name to Spicer on my front D44 and sooner or later toasted all of them......... until I went to Yukon Super Joints. I never had a problem after that. I now have a set in my front D60 if that tells you anything. I don't believe they need daily maintenance or that they need to be checked before each wheeling trip. However, if you run in water, you should give them a squirt on the return home.... don't wait till they start to corrode. Lube them right away.

I deal with bearings on a daily basis, and with special lubrication applications. The lubricant that Yukon supplies with the joints is actually a high heat anti-seize. You can't get that shit off. It is part of the equation that makes these joints work well. On another point, from a bearing standpoint, a needle bearing is actually not a good design for a reciprocating design as in u-joints. If a needle roller can't rotate a full 360 degrees, it will wear quicker. Bushings are used in all sorts of applications, especially in high load situations.

If you want more insight, do some research on the Jantz joint. It was developed by Carl Jantz.

By the way, you should have posted this in the tech forum.
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I run 35's on stock shafts and Spicer u joints. You people are ray yards yeah!
I've been everywhere. I break everywhere. If you're running less than a 60 you're a tool to think upgrade will help.
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My jeep is trail only (maybe to the ice cream place)
And the axle is a 79 f 250 8 lug hp 44 with 538 gears and a spool
I back all that up with 2.5l of pure furry

I am looking for some real world experience with these
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My jeep is trail only (maybe to the ice cream place)
And the axle is a 79 f 250 8 lug hp 44 with 538 gears and a spool
I back all that up with 2.5l of pure furry

I am looking for some real world experience with these
PM Detr6iot. He was a whore with that set up till he turned over to picture taking on his bicycle.
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Back when I ran 44s....about 4-7 yrs ago.

I ran the Yukon shafts. Pure junk. I ran the Spicer 8-760x joints, and super old cheese cheap lockouts. My thought process was the hub would be the "fuse". I broke multiple chromos, always twisting the ears apart. Never broke the lockouts, never broke the cross shafts of the Spicer joint. But broke TO MANY shafts. The stock shafts lasted just as long as the yukons did back then.


A spool, 38s, and a 44 sounds like a recipe for breakage regardless of engine or joint.
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Back when I ran 44s....about 4-7 yrs ago.

I ran the Yukon shafts. Pure junk. I ran the Spicer 8-760x joints, and super old cheese cheap lockouts. My thought process was the hub would be the "fuse". I broke multiple chromos, always twisting the ears apart. Never broke the lockouts, never broke the cross shafts of the Spicer joint. But broke TO MANY shafts. The stock shafts lasted just as long as the yukons did back then.


A spool, 38s, and a 44 sounds like a recipe for breakage regardless of engine or joint.
I too ran Yukon shafts on my dinky 8.25. Snapped both!!!!!!!
Lucky I had my oem shafts as spares! Still have not snapped them!!!!
Fuck you Yukon and suck my dick for making me think your shit was tougher!!!! Fuck Yukon Shafts! ( this is a personal opinion and you should waste your money to make your own personal opinion)
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When I had my 44, I had all chromo shafts. One Moser inner, one Yukon inner and I can't remember what outers but I stayed away from Yukons because of the reputation back then. I still ate joints. When I went to Yukon joints, all front problems went away. Maybe because I wheel like a puss?

Either way, since 2006 (or so) I have now run D44 Yukon Super Joints and D60 Yukon Super Joints and never a joint (or shaft) failure.
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Thanks for all the great info that you guys have to offer up to a fellow jeeper
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Wasn't Yukon having quality issues that they have recently fixed?
If so I feel like any past experience doesn't apply to current Yukon parts
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That is the hope...but I also don't run 44's anymore.
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Wasn't Yukon having quality issues that they have recently fixed?
If so I feel like any past experience doesn't apply to current Yukon parts
I am not aware. Had to been 6 years ago I ordered Yukon shafts, snapped both, trail fixed with STOCK axle shafts and haven't replaced yet I must be confused by.
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What shafts are people using now?
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Earlier it was said that the yukon super joints should not be on a daily driver. What about ctm joints? Does anyone run those on a dd and have you had any issues?
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I believe my 60 shafts are yukons cheap brand, usa standard?
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Earlier it was said that the yukon super joints should not be on a daily driver. What about ctm joints? Does anyone run those on a dd and have you had any issues?
As white rhino pointed out. If your running lockouts and disengage the front axle when street driving. Then its a mute point. They don't wear cause they don't spin.
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