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Old April 1st, 2014, 10:54 AM   #1
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Ok, am I missing something or does it seem like they are blowing this totally out of proportion?

The way I understand the recall, if you have crap on your key ring, it can turn your car off. What I saw on tv, they said it would move one click back and shut the car off. Not lock the steering wheel.

You can still steer, you can still brake. How do people die from this? Do people die every day when their fuel pump fails or timing belt goes?
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Old April 1st, 2014, 10:56 AM   #2
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I have not seen the specifics but if you are right, it's another crucifixion.
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I thought it had to do with the air bag not going off if this module is damaged. ? I am curious what the federal fine will be to GM since they fined 1.4 billion or some shit to Toyota and I'm not even sure anyone died in their recall ordeal. GM has had numerous deaths associated with this. Would our gov fine the very company that they "saved" a few years back?
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Why should GM have to cover you putting too much weight on the ignition switch? This isn't the accelerating toyota's that ran away from people, this is the owner putting too much weight on the switch and causing it to turn the car off.

I thought the airbag part was that since the car turned off there was no airbag in the event of an accident?
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I thought the airbag part was that since the car turned off there was no airbag in the event of an accident?
Yea, i do remember that part now. I still don't understand that though. Most airbags will still deploy even if the battery is severed from the vehicle.

Someone was just on the news saying "You have no idea what it feels like to have no control over your vehicle."

Hell, when I was a teenager my POS cars would randomly shut themselves off for all kinds of reasons. Air bag or not, you can still steer a car that is not running. My high school kids do it all the time when they push a car in the shop for repair.
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I don't know the specifics of the airbag, as to when it should or should not go off, it is just what I assumed or thought I had heard.

To me this is not a GM issue, it's a high school girl 400lbs key ring issue.
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They're mostly screwed because they have evidence GM knew about it way back when. But I agree on the rest, seems like a large scale minor issue.
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I also wonder if the GM bankruptcy could play any factor in legal precedings, since the current GM is basically a new company and this started all the way back under old GM.
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People are stupid, complain about something when nothing is going on, and sue to get free shit.
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I also wonder if the GM bankruptcy could play any factor in legal precedings, since the current GM is basically a new company and this started all the way back under old GM.
I agree that that is probably a big part of why this is such a big deal. Corporate bankruptcy lawyers and accountants and actuaries everywhere are going to be watching this very closely to see exactly what monetary liabilities the new GM will be held to for something sold by the old GM - essentially another legal entity.
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This makes a great case for keyless ignition.
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I think one of the issues is also the loss of power brakes and Power steering. That may not be a problem for us because we're used to driving non-powered vehicles; however, to every soccer mom who's only driven with power steering/brakes, it's 'dangerous'. Mostly because they probably can't use one finger to turn the wheel.
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They're mostly screwed because they have evidence GM knew about it way back when. But I agree on the rest, seems like a large scale minor issue.
So GM knew that if you put 400 pounds of shit on your key ring it might effect how the key works. Big deal. No wonder they ignored it.
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Old April 1st, 2014, 02:03 PM   #14
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I have asking my wife this for weeks. Why is it that the media is blowing this way out of proportion. Why don't they attack this corrupt government the way they are going after GM? Corruption is much greater on the guberment side for sure.
Another question.... why is it when General Motors was Government Motors they did not know about this? I'm sure they knew everything about GM when they took over and to now attempt to destroy them.
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I think one of the issues is also the loss of power brakes and Power steering. That may not be a problem for us because we're used to driving non-powered vehicles; however, to every soccer mom who's only driven with power steering/brakes, it's 'dangerous'. Mostly because they probably can't use one finger to turn the wheel.
Ya know, I have thought about this, but even my wife knows that you can still steer with the motor off. Actually she was the one that asked me about it when she was watching some of the statements from people saying they had no control over the vehicle. Hell, she has had a fricking tire fall off at highway speed and still not die. She pulled it to the side of the road and got it stopped.

We need a PSA campaign to educate these people. On that note, the program I teach is changing next year because of new state requirements....I think i'll add a small section covering what happens to steering and brakes when the car shuts off.
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What I find interesting is the timing now of a new CEO. I wonder how long its going to be before the old CEO is drug into this mess and even more comes out as to who knew what was going on. It appears GM was already made aware of what was coming.
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What about the electric steering? or is it just an electric steering pump...
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sounds like its just a pump, but I don't see how that would work.
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sounds like its just a pump, but I don't see how that would work.
Engine Dies = Power steering Dies?
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I don't know the specifics of the airbag, as to when it should or should not go off, it is just what I assumed or thought I had heard.

To me this is not a GM issue, it's a high school girl 400lbs key ring issue.
The heavy key rings make it fail more frequently, but it stills fail with only the key and the remote on the key ring.

An article I read recently quoted testimony from a previous lawsuit, for the same problem in 2010, that GM engineers were aware of the problem in 2004.

GM has had problems with their ignition switches/lock cylinders for over 15 years now. They've had plenty of time to fix the problem but have not.

link: http://www.insurancejournal.com/news.../16/323449.htm
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