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Old March 12th, 2014, 03:53 PM   #1
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I was told today, by a good source that the bill has passed, just waiting on a signature.
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http://www.legislature.mi.gov/%28S%2...e=2013-SB-0610

Passed the Senate, making it's way through the house.

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Passed the Senate, making it's way through the house.

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It's all but done as in passed
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Yay!

Now if only they would get rid of PFZs (aka slaughter zones) while they're at it.
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Well it still doesn't mean shit until it is signed, although I was told I could ATF form1 a sbr today from my nfa dealer.
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Well it still doesn't mean shit until it is signed, although I was told I could ATF form1 a sbr today from my nfa dealer.
You can form all you want but getting them is another thing.

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I can get one. He had several for sale, or I could convert my ar
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I can get one. He had several for sale, or I could convert my ar
Did the governor sign the bill yet ?
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According to the state website, it hasn't even been voted on by the house yet.

I also don't see any news on it any where else.

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from what im seeing it passed the house 103 to 6, now its at the senate
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Keep saving monies for this !!!
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I keep thinking my favorite local ffl needs to be able to handle nfa items.
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I keep thinking my favorite local ffl needs to be able to handle nfa items.
I keep working on the boss at least it would be nice to do transfers.
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Nfa items are a pain in the ass. Current wait is around a year mailing in your paperwork, around six months e-filing it. That is if everything, and I mean everything is in order. One I not dotted, one t not crossed and a few months on to the wait.
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We pretty much came to that conclusion . The way to do it would to have a range that buyers could use their item till approval came back. I was going to call sheridan arms and ask if they allow this ?
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We pretty much came to that conclusion . The way to do it would to have a range that buyers could use their item till approval came back. I was going to call sheridan arms and ask if they allow this ?
I think that is a bad idea. What happen if something comes back denied? Nfa items are not shall issue. The atf can come up with a reason to not approve said item and now it can't be transferred. So with that do you give the buy a refund? Do you sell the item as used now? I think it would be best to leave that one alone.
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I think that is a bad idea. What happen if something comes back denied? Nfa items are not shall issue. The atf can come up with a reason to not approve said item and now it can't be transferred. So with that do you give the buy a refund? Do you sell the item as used now? I think it would be best to leave that one alone.
Well there would have to be some type of agreement. You would have to have money to waste if you applied for a suppressor knowing you might have something questionable. The two hundred you send in is non refundable . A dealer would be hard pressed to give you a full refund in this situation ?
Most would charge a fee just to resell it. Hell you might as well shoot the shit out of it for almost a year.
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here it s in writting...all passed

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CRIIMIINAL LAW
Michigan Penal Code amended to allow a person
to make, manufacture, transfer, or possess a
short-barreled shotgun or short-barreled rifle
under certain conditions.
Public Act 63 of 2014 amended MCL 750.224b,
effective immediately. MCL 750.224b prohibits a
person from making, manufacturing, transferring, or
possessing a short-barreled shotgun (SBS) or a shortbarreled
rifle (SBR).
MCL 750.222(i) defines a SBS as a shotgun having
one or more barrels less than 18 inches in length or a
weapon made from a shotgun, whether by alteration,
modification, or otherwise, if the weapon as modified
has an overall length of less than 26 inches.
MCL 750.222(k) defines a SBR as a rifle having one
or more barrels less than 16 inches in length or a
weapon made from a rifle, whether by alteration,
modification, or otherwise, if the weapon as modified
has an overall length of less than 26 inches.
Under the new amendment, MCL 750.224b(3) allows a
person to make, manufacture, transfer, or possess a
SBS or a SBR that is lawfully made, manufactured,
transferred, or possessed under federal law.
Registration Requirements
SBR or SBS that is 26 inches or less in length must be
registered as a pistol in Michigan:
MCL 750.224b(4) was added to require that a person,
except a manufacturer, lawfully making, transferring,
or possessing a SBS or a SBR that is 26 inches or
less in length comply with the registration
requirements of MCL 28.422 or 28.422a. A SBS or a
SBR that is 26 inches or less in length is considered a
pistol as defined by Michigan law and is subject to all
Michigan statutes applicable to pistols.
SBR or SBS that is greater than 26 inches in length:
MCL 750.224b(5) was added to require that a person
who possesses a SBS or a SBR that is greater than 26
inches in length possess a copy of the federal
registration of that SBS or SBR while transporting or
using that SBS or SBR and shall present that federal
registration to a peace officer upon request by that
peace officer. Violation of this subsection is a state
civil infraction.
Seizure and Forfeiture of SBR or SBS greater than 26
inches in length
MCL 750.224b(6) provides that if a person possesses
a SBS or SBR greater than 26 inches in length and
does not possess the federal registration as required
by MCL 750.224b(5), the SBS or SBR is subject to
immediate seizure by a peace officer.
If a peace officer seizes a SBS or SBR under this
subsection, the person has 45 days to display the
federal registration to an authorized employee of the
seizing law enforcement agency. If the person
displays the federal registration within the 45-day
period, the authorized employee shall return the SBS
or SBR to the person unless the person is prohibited
by law from possessing a firearm. If the person does
not display the federal registration within the 45-day
period, the SBS or SBR is subject to seizure and
forfeiture under MCL 600.4701 to 600.4709.
Federal Approval Requirements
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and
Explosives (ATF) is the federal agency responsible for
approving a person to make, manufacture, transfer, or
possess a SBS or SBR. Generally speaking, there are
two common ways a person who is not qualified as a
manufacturer, importer, or dealer of SBSs or SBRs
may lawfully obtain a SBS or SBR under federal law:
1. By obtaining ATF approval to purchase a
previously registered SBS or SBR (ATF Form 4).
2. By obtaining ATF approval to make and register a
SBS or SBR (ATF Form 1).
An approved ATF Form 4 or ATF Form 1 received
from the ATF serves as evidence of federal
registration of the SBS or SBR in the owner’s name.
Officers are encouraged to visit the ATF’s Web site
(www.atf.gov) for additional information.
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