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Old April 1st, 2014, 08:42 PM   #1
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Default Help settle a debate, solid axle front vs. IFS for articulation.

Having a friendly, yet heated debate with a co worker who is a new style FJ Cruiser fan (that's probably his first problem). He's trying to give me all these reasons why ifs in the front is better than a solid axle for articulation. Me being a Jeep guy is trying to blow all his theories out of the water. So please, embellish us with your pros and cons for solid axle vs ifs!
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Define articulation as it relates to wheeling.
Stock suspensions or custom?
Do any of the IFS rigs running KOH struggle in the rocks?
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For the money most of us can afford to put into a front suspension, solid axl is the best strength to price ratio, avail to the avg wheelin redneck type.
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Articulation as in the ability to get 1 tire up on an obstacle, and keep the opposite one in contact with the ground. Stock suspensions for comparison purposes. I realize the KOH trucks are IFS, but they're not stock obviously. What started it is my coworker said his stock 09 fj cruiser has better articulation and flex than my 2001 XJ.

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Articulation as in the ability to get 1 tire up on an obstacle, and keep the opposite one in contact with the ground. Stock suspensions for comparison purposes. I realize the KOH trucks are IFS, but they're not stock obviously. What started it is my coworker said his stock 09 fj cruiser has better articulation and flex than my solid axle ram.
Hmm. I'd say with that comparison he might be right... Only way to settle it is take em out to the field
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An RTI ramp should settle it for you.

Or fork lift and measuring tape
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Hmm. I'd say with that comparison he might be right... Only way to settle it is take em out to the field
Yeah, it was my Jeep were comparing, wrote Ram for some reason.
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Old April 3rd, 2014, 08:45 PM   #9
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Articulation as in the ability to get 1 tire up on an obstacle, and keep the opposite one in contact with the ground. Stock suspensions for comparison purposes. I realize the KOH trucks are IFS, but they're not stock obviously. What started it is my coworker said his stock 09 fj cruiser has better articulation and flex than my 2001 XJ.
Hate to tell you this, but his FJ will blow your jeep away any day of the week. Lots of tech involved in that Toyota. My buddy has a jeep Rubicon, 4" lift. My 4runner makes his look like a joke, and that was before I lifted it. I like jeeps overall, but stock they aren't much of anything.

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Hate to tell you this, but his FJ will blow your jeep away any day of the week. Lots of tech involved in that Toyota. My buddy has a jeep Rubicon, 4" lift. My 4runner makes his look like a joke, and that was before I lifted it. I like jeeps overall, but stock they aren't much of anything.

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Hate to tell you this, but his FJ will blow your jeep away any day of the week. Lots of tech involved in that Toyota. My buddy has a jeep Rubicon, 4" lift. My 4runner makes his look like a joke, and that was before I lifted it. I like jeeps overall, but stock they aren't much of anything.

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To say your stock SUV makes a lifted rubicon look like a joke offroad is by far the dumbest thing I've read all day.
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Hate to tell you this, but his FJ will blow your jeep away any day of the week. Lots of tech involved in that Toyota. My buddy has a jeep Rubicon, 4" lift. My 4runner makes his look like a joke, and that was before I lifted it. I like jeeps overall, but stock they aren't much of anything.

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How does it compare to a shopping cart?
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To say your stock SUV makes a lifted rubicon look like a joke offroad is by far the dumbest thing I've read all day.
Then bring your Rubicon and let's go for a ride.

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To say your stock SUV makes a lifted rubicon look like a joke offroad is by far the dumbest thing I've read all day.
I've read a couple of dumber things today but it's pretty close.
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As I said. What's a stock jeep anything going to do? Not much. Fj's are made for offroad, better setup. Even a mild, under 4 inch, lift on a wrangler is nothing. Over that, depends on your setup.

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Those shopping carts are pretty tough. Sometimes you get one that's out of alignment and has a little death wobble, but they'll still make it. The little fanny carts are terrible of road due to such short wheelbase, but they make zipping around people a breeze.
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As I said. What's a stock jeep anything going to do? Not much. Fj's are made for offroad, better setup. Even a mild, under 4 inch, lift on a wrangler is nothing. Over that, depends on your setup.

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I don't have a rubicon, mines just a 2000 sport, but I'd meet you any time any where to go wheeling. I love toyotas, but use a bit of logic here. The jeep has much better front and rear approach and departure angle, a much better break over angle, probably a much better power to weight ratio, dual lockers combined with the better articulation, much better gearing, much better Offroad visibility, ect, ect.
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What a dumbass.
Said the guy with another jeep build... In all seriousness your jeep us so far from stock, you can't even remember how much of a pos it was. Hell I can't even get in those tin cans, I'm to tall. Under powered shopping cart. Lol. I'll stick with my 4Runner.
Know any good trails between Petoskey and Traverse city area? I'll come wheel. Most places I knew are closed now.

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