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Old April 2nd, 2014, 05:34 PM   #21
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What about the electric steering? or is it just an electric steering pump...
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sounds like its just a pump, but I don't see how that would work.
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Engine Dies = Power steering Dies?
electric power steering is a motor and gearbox on the steering column behind the dash. Uses feedback from turning the wheel to provide assist, work on the same principal as digital proportional steering on an R/C car, minus the radio control part.

Brakes would work, requiring more effort, steering works, more effort. Steering is heavier but not as bad as the old hydraulic power steering without the engine running.

I went out in the driveway and turn the key to unlock the column, I could still turn the wheels without the power assist. Was harder to turn (sitting still), I can't see it being too bad with the car rolling.

The bigger concern is that the airbags do not work with the ignition off.
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Old April 2nd, 2014, 07:16 PM   #22
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People are stupid, complain about something when nothing is going on, and sue to get free shit.


http://www.mlive.com/auto/index.ssf/...s_were_yo.html

DETROIT (AP) — As the deaths are tallied from General Motors' delayed recall of compact cars, one thing is becoming clear: Of those killed, the majority were young.

In a way, this isn't surprising. Low-priced cars like the Chevrolet Cobalt and Saturn Ion were marketed to young, first-time buyers and parents shopping for their kids.

But price may not be the only reason for the disproportionate number of youthful deaths.

The faulty ignition switches behind the recall can shut off the engine while the car is in motion. When that happens, power-assisted steering and power brakes are lost, and the air bags won't inflate in a crash.

In such a situation, inexperienced drivers are more likely to panic and be overwhelmed by the extra effort needed to control the car, safety experts say.

GM has linked 13 deaths to the problem. Others have a higher total, with the majority of victims under age 25. Many also were women, who safety experts say are less likely to have the upper body strength to wrestle a stalled car safely to the side of the road.


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This combination of undated family photos shows, from left, Amber Marie Rose, Natasha Weigel, and Amy Rademaker. All three were killed in deadly car crashes involving GM's Cobalt during 2005-2006. The complaint tally for the top-selling small cars in the 2005-2007 model years was: Corolla, 228; Cobalt, 164; Honda Civic, 60; Ford Focus, 25; and the Mazda 3, 19. (AP Photo)
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Old April 2nd, 2014, 07:22 PM   #23
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I'll dispute the upper body strength statement, a car in motion with the power steering off is not much more difficult to steer than with power steering.

The issue is that handling a stalled car is a skill that is no longer taught in many driver's ed schools. We rely on systems to operate, with no instruction on what to do when they don't.
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I'll dispute the upper body strength statement, a car in motion with the power steering off is not much more difficult to steer than with power steering.

The issue is that handling a stalled car is a skill that is no longer taught in many driver's ed schools. We rely on systems to operate, with no instruction on what to do when they don't.
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Old April 2nd, 2014, 08:09 PM   #25
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If we used statistics to concentrate our time on the biggest to smallest things that kill people daily, this would be so far down the list you couldn't find it.

It's posturing by the politicians.
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Old April 2nd, 2014, 08:50 PM   #26
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13 deaths in 10+ years. 13 deaths and 1.3 million cars recalled.
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Think of the children!
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Think of the children!
I am. Pitbulls killed 29 people last year. Let's recall those fuckers with a shotgun.

13 people panicking when a car doesn't work right and killing themselves over the last 10+ years is hardly even news.
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Pretty much says it right there.
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This, unfortunately, is the world we live in. Almost all personal responsibility has been removed, it's always someone else's fault.

We spend more time working with the customer on details of safety guarding than on the purpose of the machine itself.

Said it many times in the past- if you make things so people don't have to think, eventually they will stop thinking.
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Said it many times in the past- if you make things so people don't have to think, eventually they will stop thinking.
i know what you mean. i once was with someone who had their nose buried sooooo deep in their iphone/ipad they didn't look up to see we were in front of the resturant their device said didn't exist!
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They don't teach you how to put gas in a car during drivers training.........how do people know how to put gas in? Should I file a lawsuit?
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They don't teach you how to put gas in a car during drivers training.........how do people know how to put gas in? Should I file a lawsuit?
Wayback in 76, when I took driver's ed, we spent an entire day in the simulator learning what to do when shit went wrong. Was it exactly like when a tire goes flat, or you skid on ice, or lose power? Not really, but at least there was an attempt to get you to think about such things.
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Ya know, I have thought about this, but even my wife knows that you can still steer with the motor off. Actually she was the one that asked me about it when she was watching some of the statements from people saying they had no control over the vehicle. Hell, she has had a fricking tire fall off at highway speed and still not die. She pulled it to the side of the road and got it stopped.

We need a PSA campaign to educate these people. On that note, the program I teach is changing next year because of new state requirements....I think i'll add a small section covering what happens to steering and brakes when the car shuts off.
Your wife is probably not a teenage girl with limited driving experience and even less knowledge of how a vehicle works.
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Your wife is probably not a teenage girl with limited driving experience and even less knowledge of how a vehicle works.
And that is GM's fault????
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I always get a chuckle when congress calls in these CEOs and try to lecture them about morals, ethics, and how to run a business.
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I always get a chuckle when congress calls in these CEOs and try to lecture them about morals, ethics, and how to run a business.
I thought the same thing when I saw this on the news last night. I also couldn't help but wonder why they were grilling the new CEO about something she has inherited in the last few months.
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Since the Feds were the major stockholder at the time, shouldn't they be asking why they themselves didn't pursue this when it was first discovered?
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Old April 3rd, 2014, 05:51 PM   #39
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I would like to see them get the CEO in there that was in charge at the time. The one that got all of that money to leave. I agree, what's the point of badgering her about this. These stories baffle me anyway. Why all of a sudden is this now an issue? Everyone knew it was going on for years...at least that's what their saying now. Seems more political than anything...
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Should bloomyul and I sue? We have hhrs... The cobalt wagon
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