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Old March 26th, 2014, 02:32 PM   #41
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I once saw a geo metro outfitted with some bondo/cardboard/fibreglass air deflecters in a few places on the car, as well as full moon hubcaps, Not sure on the level of testing involved, but I bet with that little motor he gained some significant aerodynamic advantage at highway speed.
He had to do it just to be able to reach highway speed in the first place....
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My dad bought a 2013 Ram 1500. If your staying in the 1500 variety, it would be my choice. Its got gobs of power (400hp+, 5.7 l), the trans is pretty smooth (8spd) and consistent, and it has 3.73s with 20s. Ride is great, handles good, and it would flat out run the pants off my 6.0l 2500HD. I would also consider a Chevy Maxtow with the 6.2l.

But in the 2500/3500, I wouldn't even consider a Dodge. They have the same issues they had in 2003...they have never improved the suspension.

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[QUOTE=AJ Hall;3685117 The 8 speeds trans and the 3.6L motors in a short bed 4x4 should pull 26-27 mpg highway all day and still tow over 8k pounds.[/QUOTE]


I guess I'm missing something...my dad has a 2013 5.7L/8spd/3.73s and its rated at 7800 pounds? I keep seeing this "over 8k pounds," his truck is not, and it has the tow package? Configuration? 4wd?


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Actually the 2500s now have coils in rear

I'm talking the absolute crap solid front axle - ball joint issues, steering linkage issues, steering box issues, wheel bearing issues...then comes the death wobble. I owned a lot of Dodge 2500s, same old story...and the change from Dana to AAM didn't help.

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Just check your ratings on the door i wouldn't expect to tow more than 8,000 with a 1/2 ton truck, that seems crazy as it is
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I'm talking the absolute crap solid front axle - ball joint issues, steering linkage issues, steering box issues, wheel bearing issues...then comes the death wobble. I owned a lot of Dodge 2500s, same old story...and the change from Dana to AAM didn't help.

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They improved the steering linkage around 08/09. The rest of the issues aren't really any worse than you'd see under the rest of the heavy ass trucks out there.
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What they improved did nothing...those parts failed at the same rate.

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Old March 26th, 2014, 04:08 PM   #48
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What they improved did nothing...those parts failed at the same rate.

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And what rate would that be? When I sold my 2007 3/4 ton Cummins with 113k miles it still had stock steering in good shape. It had lived 70% of its life on 35" tires, and the remaining 30% on 37s. All I had managed to wear out was shocks, ball joints, and u-joints; all normal wear items for any vehicle.
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And what rate would that be? When I sold my 2007 3/4 ton Cummins with 113k miles it still had stock steering in good shape. It had lived 70% of its life on 35" tires, and the remaining 30% on 37s. All I had managed to wear out was shocks, ball joints, and u-joints; all normal wear items for any vehicle.
Just for comparison.. my 99 GMC Sierra, still has a stock front end with 158ish thousand miles on it. 1st 10 years was a contractor's truck, then mine used for emergency response.
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Just for comparison.. my 99 GMC Sierra, still has a stock front end with 158ish thousand miles on it. 1st 10 years was a contractor's truck, then mine used for emergency response.
clearly your truck is superior
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Agreed. GMC is a superior product than Dodge.
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I'm talking the absolute crap solid front axle - ball joint issues, steering linkage issues, steering box issues, wheel bearing issues...then comes the death wobble. I owned a lot of Dodge 2500s, same old story...and the change from Dana to AAM didn't help.

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I bough my 09 from the original owner....it is about to roll 169k and every single front end component is factory....it will need tie rods soon but they are not terrible by any means.

As bbaXJ said....Dodge front end parts are no worse than any other HD truck. The biggest issue i see is people buying the cheapest replacement parts they can find then wondering why they don't last
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What they improved did nothing...those parts failed at the same rate.

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You have obviously never drove a truck with both setups. I swapped my 01 from the stock stuff to the 10+ stuff (direct bolt on)....holy shit....the newer stuff is wayyyy beefier and the truck drove 100% better
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Just bought a 2014 2500HD Ram. No comparison to my 2012 Government Motors 2500. I drove both before I bought the RAM and the RAM is way more truck and rides way better. The 2011 GM 2500 I have now wore a cam lobe off at 98k miles(known for this) and took most of the motor with it. My buddies 1500 lost/dropped oil pressure(known for this too I hear) at 158k and took the bottom end out. My 2012 Suburban is the most POURLY BUILT VECHICLE I HAVE EVER OWNED. Just over 18k miles and it has more rattles, crappy fitting trim, and mirrors that constantly shake no matter what position there in. Center console lid squeaks like crazy, both rear seats vibrate so bad it bounces the rear top part of the seat if there's no one sitting in them. Ok, my rant is over...
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I see the RAM has electronic power steering now, I don't know about the chevy. If it matters, the RAM has been motor trend's truck of the year for '13 and '14. Right now, I feel it really just comes down to preference in car company. Around here, everyone and their grandma has a '14 chevy. Maybe it's just the craze of owning the new body style??
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Rams dent much easier in the bed and tend to rust out faster(thinner sheet metal).
Anymore, every manufacturer uses very thin sheet metal. Everything rots out relatively quickly. It seems that you get about 3-4 years out of a truck before the cab corners, rockers, and wheel arches on the boxside start to go out. Chevrolet has the typical paper thin bumpers that last for a couple years before they need to be replaced.
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You have obviously never drove a truck with both setups. I swapped my 01 from the stock stuff to the 10+ stuff (direct bolt on)....holy shit....the newer stuff is wayyyy beefier and the truck drove 100% better

Actually I have, and it wore out just as fast as the original. Buying a OE 2008 setup that was drilled for zerks lasted till I traded...not even sure that guy still still mods them or sells them. Fact is, there are two grease fitting on an entire Dodge HD truck, at the tierod ends. What about the other joints and drivetrain?

For the record I have owned five Dodge Cummins (one of every generation of 5.9L) and accumulated nearly 1.5 MILLION well-maintained highway miles combined on those five trucks. You will not convince me...the only one that lasted was a 1st generation truck with a kingpin 60. The latest "Dodge" or Fiat might have been an improvement, but I doubt it since its the same old design from what I see.

Back to the 1500 thing...again, I like my dad's Bighorn 1500. Its definitely a nice truck. I can only compare to my 2500HD Silverado, his truck definitely car-like and easy to drive. Basically everything you would expect comparing a 1500 to a 2500. He likes it, but he also came out of a 99 Dodge Cummins with 300k...shiny and new or old and busted?

I think the days of the diesel pickups is coming to an end...a lot of guys I ran with in the Cummins world have went to fast gasser 1500s because of fuel prices and overall purchase price. I quit putting the miles on a truck, but still needed a 2500. Decided to try something different completely...so here I sit with a Silverado. I think the car manufacturers see that too, the reason these hotrod 1500 pickups are really coming on strong the past few years.

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They improved the steering linkage around 08/09. The rest of the issues aren't really any worse than you'd see under the rest of the heavy ass trucks out there.
You mean the improved design that has been recalled several times now and the latest tuning fork version that is back for redesign yet again? That one? I'm back to the Y linkage since that wonderful T linkage upgrade had up and down play in the right rod end after only 26K miles. Maybe it was still within spec (if anyone could find a spec for such a bastard part, hint: it is not a normal ball and socket joint) but I prefer to take no chances when it comes to steering.
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Truck for Truck, the Ram is the winner. Then again I am a bit bias.

Silverado had to steal triple door seals, tow harnesses integrated into bumper, etc. And they don't have a Hemi. Win. Oh, and the turning radius sucks on the chubby.
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