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Old March 26th, 2014, 06:49 AM   #1
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So my Dad is looking to buy his "last new truck ever" (which by my count is his 3rd or 4th last new truck ever.) I wanted to hear some opinions from some of you who might have experience with either the '14 RAM or the '14 Silverado.

I'll start by saying that I know most of us would not buy a new truck, myself included, but it's what he wants to do and so I'm helping him get the best deal possible.

He's looked at both, MSRP's are ballpark for both makes. Tricky part of it is that he wants a Reg. Cab, 6' bed 4x4, which is nearly impossible to find without ordering one. (Ford is about the only one who regularly keeps a couple in stock.)

That said, he drove a 2014 Silverado Z71, 5.3L, 6-Spd auto short wheelbase truck yesterday. Sticker is $38k and it's been reduced to $33,200, plus incentives. It's been on the lot since November - so they seem more willing to deal. Pretty well loaded and seemed like a nice truck, but the 6 speed felt absolutely clumsy. It constantly hunted for gears and you could feel every shift. At 45mph it upshifted and downshifted constantly. I figure maybe with only 14 miles the truck is still "learning", but do any of you have experience with the 6spd GM? Does it get better over time? Other than that it had a vibration at 55-70mph which I would discount as a flat spot on a tire from sitting, or something along those lines.

He's going to drive a Dodge today, but it will be a quad cab because no local dealers have a regular cab other than a 3/4 ton, or a 1/2 ton with the pentastar and 2wd. How's the 8-speed auto? I've read really good reviews on it, anyone have experience?

Both dealers have made more than fair trade offers on his trade in, more than I think I could get on the street for it, but I'm inclined to think the Chevy will be easier to deal on since it's in stock and they've sat on it quite a while, whereas the Dodge will need to be ordered, or fetched from a distant dealer.

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http://www.koolchev.com/vehicles/1GC...LT_Regular_Cab

http://www.hzplainwell.com/new-Kalam...JR7AT5EG181165

These are the two candidates - That RAM is the closest one geographically. It's less optioned than the GM.

So in short (sorry for the long message), anyone have experiences with either that they would like to share? Pros, cons, he's an idiot for buying new, stfu, **** off, etc. are welcome.

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Old March 26th, 2014, 06:53 AM   #2
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Chevy.

I've read many posts over on DuramaxForum about new trucks coming off the lot with vibrations. Seems like it's always the tires.

Also, since the truck has just over 13 miles on it, the trans may still be learning shift points. I know whenever I change tunes on my truck (Allison) I will always do a trans relearn and it takes either normal day driving to learn shift points (usually maybe 50 miles) or do a a few passes, one at 1/4 throttle, one at 1/2 throttle, then one at WOT.

Oh, and **** off
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I like Kool Chevy, The owner's brother is a pastor too.

Never dealt with HZ.


+1 on the chevy. They will likely haggle more for it as well.







on a side note, how do you go off highway with those bumpers?

Even my 2003 gmc is getting crunched on the front plastic valance
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I like Kool Chevy, The owner's brother is a pastor too.

Never dealt with HZ.


+1 on the chevy. They will likely haggle more for it as well.







on a side note, how do you go off highway with those bumpers?

Even my 2003 gmc is getting crunched on the front plastic valance
I also like KOOL, my Dad and I have both bought from them in the past, they've always had pretty good communication even after purchase, and that goes a long way considering what new vehicle prices are these days.

I've not dealt with HZ either, we normally deal with K/M Northfield Dodge, which is who he's going through now if he opts for the RAM, they would need to do a dealer trade to get a local one in stock, which I why I feel like they won't deal as much as KOOL might on that Chevy.

I have absolutely no idea why the Front bumpers have become so god-awful huge - Chevy seems to be the most noticeably gawdy with the bumper, but all manufacturers have gone to a riot shield for a front bumper these days.
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I'm about ready to rip mine off and make a new one. I don't particularly want to crank up my torsion bars for more clearance.
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Chevy.

I've read many posts over on DuramaxForum about new trucks coming off the lot with vibrations. Seems like it's always the tires.

Also, since the truck has just over 13 miles on it, the trans may still be learning shift points. I know whenever I change tunes on my truck (Allison) I will always do a trans relearn and it takes either normal day driving to learn shift points (usually maybe 50 miles) or do a a few passes, one at 1/4 throttle, one at 1/2 throttle, then one at WOT.

Oh, and **** off
Thanks for the tip with the tires and shift points, that was my guess as well. Other than those two things I think the Chevy was a solid truck. It had good power and drove out nicely. The Z71 package has noticeably stiffer suspension, and I liked how it wasn't extremely softened up for comfort like most vehicles today, but it didn't ride like a bus either.
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I'm about ready to rip mine off and make a new one. I don't particularly want to crank up my torsion bars for more clearance.
Speaking of... I am still amazed at the front end rake on all of the new trucks. Seems to me like you'd need 3+" to level the fronts... or maybe it's just those damn bumpers that make it so noticeable!
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I have always been a Chevrolet guy. I have owned about 5 different Silverados. I never even considered a Ram until I started working here. I have to say the new Ram rides amazing and I would take the Hemi over the 5.3 in terms of power any day. My Ram has impressed me.

We carry both Chevrolet and Ram at our store. The Silverados have had a battery/starter issues all winter. I have heard rumors that it is the lubrication they used in the starters, it freezes up in cold temps. I have not had any issues with the new Ram. I do not own a 8 speed to comment on that but, watch the rear end ratios if you are going to tow anything.

I have a regular cab short box in stock right now. It is the Express package (best value if you ask me)

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I like Chevy's, and jiveturkey has a friend named Dale who got a 2015 chevy before everyone else, I'd call him or jiveturkey, they are baller status.
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I have always been a Chevrolet guy. I have owned about 5 different Silverados. I never even considered a Ram until I started working here. I have to say the new Ram rides amazing and I would take the Hemi over the 5.3 in terms of power any day. My Ram has impressed me.

We carry both Chevrolet and Ram at our store. The Silverados have had a battery/starter issues all winter. I have heard rumors that it is the lubrication they used in the starters, it freezes up in cold temps. I have not had any issues with the new Ram. I do not own a 8 speed to comment on that but, watch the rear end ratios if you are going to tow anything.

I have a regular cab short box in stock right now. It is the Express package (best value if you ask me)

Here is the link to the truck
http://www.teamhodgeschryslerdodgeje...50e981c9bb.htm
The Express package is what he was after for RAM. We talked with our local guy at K/M Dodge yesterday and walked through the options, etc. Today he'll test drive a comparable QC they have in stock.

I see that your Express has the 6-speed and 3.55's. If he goes 6-speed he really wanted the 3.92 ratio (admittedly, I haven't found one yet, but it's an orderable option.) I know 8-spd is only available with 3.21 ratio, but have heard the trans. more than makes up for the difference.

As for towing, he pulls a small fishing boat often, and his 4 wheeler occasionally, but nothing ever gets close to approaching any sort of heavy hauling.

Thanks for the link on that truck. I'll show it to him.
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I like Chevy's, and jiveturkey has a friend named Dale who got a 2015 chevy before everyone else, I'd call him or jiveturkey, they are baller status.
I tried to get ahold of Dale to see if I could get in on that, but my baller status was not at a level sufficient to be treated like anything but dirt by him. I guess he'll have to just keep being the only one cool enough to have it.
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Chevy for sure. Based on what I have seen from the two brands, Rams dent much easier in the bed and tend to rust out faster(thinner sheet metal). I drive a 2012 GMC with a 6.0, single cab long bed at work (I know its not quite the same) and its great.
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You can get a 3.92 with the 8 speed, it is a $50 option. The 3.21 with the 8 speed is only rated to tow right around 6,500 lbs.
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Chevy for sure. Based on what I have seen from the two brands, Rams dent much easier in the bed and tend to rust out faster(thinner sheet metal). I drive a 2012 GMC with a 6.0, single cab long bed at work (I know its not quite the same) and its great.
I have yet to see any of the new body style Ram trucks with any rust. The previous style had issues for sure.
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I have no experience with the dodge....i deal with the chevy daily....i don't care for them. They are super cheap feeling, they start like crap in really cold weather (as in my cummins starts better imo), they do have dead battery issues, the 5.3 requires 8.5 qts of synthetic 0w20 making oil changes expensive, all the skid plating is plastic....i could keep going.

I am sure Dodge has it's issues also.
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You can get a 3.92 with the 8 speed, it is a $50 option. The 3.21 with the 8 speed is only rated to tow right around 6,500 lbs.
If I remember right while using the Build & Price yesterday evening, it showed the $50 optional 3.92's with the 6 speed, but when I built one with the 8 speed it wouldn't let me select the 3.92's without converting back to 6 speed. I might be mistaken, but I believe that was the case. I'll look again.
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It may not on Ram's website. They do not have the most accurate build and price tool. I went into our actual order screen and I could add it.
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I would pick the ram....it looks better, and power wise its not even close. The hemi blows the 5.3 out of the water. I drove a 14 Sileverado and was impressed by the upgrades, its very quiet to drive, nicer interior then prior generation, and GM is back with Disk brakes in the rear. I just picked up a 14 ram 1500 with hemi and 8 speed. I went with the 3.21 gears for fuel mileage and Im happy I did. With the 3.21s it has 8k lb tow rating. I have towed 8k lbs a few times now and it towed it like a champ, and got 12.5mpg doing it. The ride of the ram is the best of any half ton truck I have ever gotten.
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My dad bought a 2013 Ram 1500. If your staying in the 1500 variety, it would be my choice. Its got gobs of power (400hp+, 5.7 l), the trans is pretty smooth (8spd) and consistent, and it has 3.73s with 20s. Ride is great, handles good, and it would flat out run the pants off my 6.0l 2500HD. I would also consider a Chevy Maxtow with the 6.2l.

But in the 2500/3500, I wouldn't even consider a Dodge. They have the same issues they had in 2003...they have never improved the suspension.

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