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Old March 29th, 2014, 07:31 PM   #101
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Now we are getting into big "ifs" but if something large scale were to happen and the Fed govt were to try to turn the police against the public, I truly believe it would backfire on an epic scale. I know lots of cops, and they didnt become copsfor that reason. Often times for the exact opposite reasons. I honestly believe police would be some of the major forces fighting against the govt of it were to come to it. Most cops are gun loving freedom singing patriots and would gladly stand up to keep those rights. We are very type A personalities who dont like being told what we can or cant do.
No disrespect to any of you guys, but if it came down to it, are you capable of putting your job on the line? Picture a Katrina event where your orders are to go door to door to confiscate weapons? Are you going to tell your superiors that you won't do it? What happens if they say do it or hand in your badge, and OH, by the way, since you are quitting, leave your weapon here too?

That is honestly a life/career changing decision that can't be taken lightly.
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Old March 29th, 2014, 07:53 PM   #102
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I may "follow orders" but I may really suck at finding what they want mw to look for. And if it really came down to it, they can have my job and my duty weapon. The badge doesnt define me or most officers.

I dont know the whole reasoning behind the Katrina thing. I dont really think it was meant to be as sinister as it sounds but it clearly wasnt thought out which is common of lots of plans when real large scale emergencies hit.
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No disrespect to any of you guys, but if it came down to it, are you capable of putting your job on the line? Picture a Katrina event where your orders are to go door to door to confiscate weapons? Are you going to tell your superiors that you won't do it? What happens if they say do it or hand in your badge, and OH, by the way, since you are quitting, leave your weapon here too?

That is honestly a life/career changing decision that can't be taken lightly.
This is my concern. As I mentioned, day by day the laws tighten up, as time goes on they get tighter, then an event happens, then oz is faced with the exact decision you have described and the tigher laws in place force us into a police state.

Not something I look forward to.
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I may "follow orders" but I may really suck at finding what they want mw to look for. And if it really came down to it, they can have my job and my duty weapon. The badge doesnt define me or most officers.

I dont know the whole reasoning behind the Katrina thing. I dont really think it was meant to be as sinister as it sounds but it clearly wasnt thought out which is common of lots of plans when real large scale emergencies hit.
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I do too, but it's easy to say that today.

I think oz is genuinely one of the good guys, probably one of the nicer guys I have ever met.

I just wonder how hard the decision would really be when it came down to putting the pay check in the pocket or putting an application in elsewhere.
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I dont see it as a hard decision. If it were to come to the department making those calls, then lots would have changed or a major event would have happened.

In the case of a Katrina like event, it would be pretty much chaos anyway and EVERYONE would be scrambling. Katrina was a perfect example as many of the department pretty much went on their own for various reasons. Part of being a cop is displaying sound judgement under pressure and not reacting with poor decisions. Considering taking guns would violate our very own constitution I believe id have a good argument to defend my decisions once things calmed down. Id bet id land on my feet fine

On the other hand, if we had some ridiculous govt takeover thing where guns were outlawed and the public were made out to be the enemy, you could bet our country would be at war with itself. I know what side id be on. Ive had similar discussions with lots of cops and the feeling is pretty similar across the board. For that matter, pretty much everyone I know in the military also feels that way.

What concerns me is the slow "progress" towards more and more control over generations. However, in 3 or 4 or more generations with incrimentally more govt intervention things will be "normal" for them. It will likely be a far different world than we live in today but we will be dead and gone so I suppose its not our concern.
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I do too, but it's easy to say that today.

I think oz is genuinely one of the good guys, probably one of the nicer guys I have ever met.

I just wonder how hard the decision would really be when it came down to putting the pay check in the pocket or putting an application in elsewhere.
One thing to consider, most likely if one was asked to do something like this a major event has happen (storm, or major gov. move). Not that it would make it easy but chances are a lot of people may be in a situation where they are leaving the area anyway.

I would like to think if it was a law passed or something along those lines shot would hit the fan long before anyone would be asked to knock on doors.
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I dont see it as a hard decision. If it were to come to the department making those calls, then lots would have changed or a major event would have happened.

In the case of a Katrina like event, it would be pretty much chaos anyway and EVERYONE would be scrambling. Katrina was a perfect example as many of the department pretty much went on their own for various reasons. Part of being a cop is displaying sound judgement under pressure and not reacting with poor decisions. Considering taking guns would violate our very own constitution I believe id have a good argument to defend my decisions once things calmed down. Id bet id land on my feet fine

On the other hand, if we had some ridiculous govt takeover thing where guns were outlawed and the public were made out to be the enemy, you could bet our country would be at war with itself. I know what side id be on. Ive had similar discussions with lots of cops and the feeling is pretty similar across the board. For that matter, pretty much everyone I know in the military also feels that way.

What concerns me is the slow "progress" towards more and more control over generations. However, in 3 or 4 or more generations with incrimentally more govt intervention things will be "normal" for them. It will likely be a far different world than we live in today but we will be dead and gone so I suppose its not our concern.
How many sheriffs around this nation stated very publicly stated they would not enforce any federal gun restrictions that violate the 2nd? The answer is a hell of a lot more than said they would enforce them
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How many sheriffs around this nation stated very publicly stated they would not enforce any federal gun restrictions that violate the 2nd? The answer is a hell of a lot more than said they would enforce them
I assume some publicly said they would, however I don't remember hearing about a single one. I did hear multiple, probably over 15 that said they wouldn't. This also may have to do with the fact I don watch the lib's news.
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A big group of them got together to sue the Feds over gun control
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Exactly. Cops arent the enemy that want to control the public. They want to bury the dirtballs, but the general public is usually well respected by LE. Cops certainly arent the ones seeking to take away rights from the people who know the difference between right and wrong.

To bring this discussion back to this incident, cops arent the ones looking to hurt the oublic either but they will most definitely kill and /or be killed to try to protect the innocent.
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Exactly. Cops arent the enemy that want to control the public. They want to bury the dirtballs, but the general public is usually well respected by LE. Cops certainly arent the ones seeking to take away rights from the people who know the difference between right and wrong.

To bring this discussion back to this incident, cops arent the ones looking to hurt the oublic either but they will most definitely kill and /or be killed to try to protect the innocent.
To play devils advocate here, you make generalized statements and they aren't true.

All cops want to take rights away and kill people.

See what I did there?

Like any other profession there are good ones and bad ones. Like any other profession the bad ones are more often publicized and therefore many sheeple start to think cops are all bad. For instance when was the last time you saw the news run a story that the sole purpose was to portray a LEO in a good way and shine a light on someone who deserves some credit? I can't remember one. I see stories where a LEO allegedly did something wrong and they are instantly burned at the stake.

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To play devils advocate here, you make generalized statements and they aren't true.

All cops want to take rights away and kill people.

See what I did there?

Like any other profession there are good ones and bad ones. Like any other profession the bad ones are more often publicized and therefore many sheeple start to think cops are all bad. For instance when was the last time you saw the news run a story that the sole purpose was to portray a LEO in a good way and shine a light on someone who deserves some credit? I can't remember one. I see stories where a LEO allegedly did something wrong and they are instantly burned at the stake.
I absolutely agree. Like most professions though the good far outweigh the bad. It seems far too many people have the belief that police are part of the problem though. Thats why I harp on the point that most cops are like anyone else.
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ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. — The Albuquerque mayor said late Sunday that a more than 10-hour protest over recent police shootings has turned from peaceful into “mayhem,” as officers in riot gear clashed with protesters who blocked traffic, tried to get on freeways and shouted anti-police slogans.
Richard Berry said one officer was injured, rocks were thrown and at one point protesters trapped police in a vehicle and tried to break the windows, the Albuquerque Journal reported. An Associated Press reporter saw gas canisters being thrown outside police headquarters and Albuquerque police and Bernalillo County sheriff's deputies charging at the protesters late Sunday, which mostly dispersed the crowds.
Berry didn't know of any arrests, and multiple messages left for the police department weren't immediately returned. Video by KRQE-TV shows people being led away in zip-tie restraints, but it's unclear if those people were arrested of if any protesters were injured.
“We respected their rights to protest, obviously,” Berry said, “but what it appears we have at this time is individuals who weren't connected necessarily with the original protest. They've taken it far beyond a normal protest.”
Protesters took to the streets in the early afternoon and stayed out late Sunday after authorities declared an unlawful assembly. People are angry over Albuquerque police's involvement in 37 shootings, 23 of them fatal, since 2010. Critics say that's too many for a department serving a city of about 555,000.
The U.S. Justice Department has been investigating the department for more than a year, looking into complaints of civil rights violations and allegations of excessive use of force.
The protest came days after a YouTube video emerged threatening retaliation for a recent deadly police shooting.
The video, which bore the logo of the computer hacking collective Anonymous, warned of a cyberattack on city websites and called for the protest march. Albuquerque police said their site had been breached early Sunday afternoon, but it was visible late in the afternoon after being offline for hours.
Earlier Sunday, police spokesman Simon Drobik confirmed the disruption was due to a cyberattack and said investigators had not uncovered the source of the hack.
In the shooting on March 16 that led to the YouTube posting Tuesday, a homeless man was killed in the foothills of the Sandia Mountains on the east side of Albuquerque. The shooting was captured on video and followed a long standoff. The FBI has opened an investigation.
Last week, Albuquerque police fatally shot a man at a public housing complex. Authorities said he shot at officers before they returned fire.


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Have any of you been to Albuquerque? If you have you'd understand why I say if it burnt down it would be an improvement. That place is only bested by Detroit as being number 1 shithole
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