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Old March 25th, 2014, 08:04 AM   #21
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I do not like what happened, but our laws are to protect those trying to do right.
Sad part is should one of those officers decided to tackle that guy and did subdue him that officer would likely have been benched and/or fired.
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Old March 25th, 2014, 08:38 AM   #22
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I've watched the video several times now.
It looks like he was picking up his stuff (those bags are all he has in the world) to come down when the flashbang hit. He was stunned.
It looks like he then attempts to comply by turning and put his arms out, then is shot.

The tactics suck.
Dogs, tasers, beanbags, three special units, three hours stand off, and they still shot an unarmed man not attacking them with glacier speed.
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Old March 25th, 2014, 09:05 AM   #23
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Can't really say if it was justified, but I was more interested in the fact that the officer with the camera shot when he was pretty close and behind the other officers
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Old March 25th, 2014, 09:10 AM   #24
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I can't get the video to load, but I'm guessing it's the Albuquerque officer that shot the guy camping?

Albuquerque PD has a shoot first ask questions later policy.... Seriously they are trigger happy as hell
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Old March 25th, 2014, 09:15 AM   #25
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Can't really say if it was justified, but I was more interested in the fact that the officer with the camera shot when he was pretty close and behind the other officers
That was the first thing I noticed also....not well played, that could have been bad. Good shot though. Looks like there was a head shot.
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Old March 25th, 2014, 09:58 AM   #26
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There's a live leak video of a guy in some third world country in a stand off with armed police and he went berserk and managed to stab like four cops before one of those incompetent idiots managed to shoot him. They were circled around him with a distance of about 30 feet between them and him and the dude still got successfully stabby.
OMG we should just kill EVERY human being on this earth because they might kill someone...

That's about what it's coming to.

Yes, a police officer's job can be dangerous, they know that going in. It is not suppose to give then a right to kill anyone for anything.

This guy was living/sleeping on open land because he had no where else to go, and from the sounds of it was also mentally unstable and our system failed to help him. This was handled terribly.
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Old March 25th, 2014, 10:02 AM   #27
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they could have used other means taser,bean bag rounds, he was running away and they shot him in the back, he had to little knives and they had ARs and a fucking dog . I don't see how he could have ran at them and been a threat do to the rocky hilly gound
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Old March 25th, 2014, 10:10 AM   #28
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their dogs life was obviously more important then trying to save a human life.
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Old March 25th, 2014, 10:20 AM   #29
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Another reason I dislike most police. They get that badge and think they can get away with anything, like murder, and they do!
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Old March 25th, 2014, 10:35 AM   #30
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Police have a very dangerous job. The guy with the knife was obviously an idiot.
That is all I have to say.
This is my thinking exactly. I believe the guy tried to stab the police dog at one point and that was the threat they needed to shoot.
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Old March 25th, 2014, 10:40 AM   #31
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Old March 25th, 2014, 01:57 PM   #32
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There's a live leak video of a guy in some third world country in a stand off with armed police and he went berserk and managed to stab like four cops before one of those incompetent idiots managed to shoot him. They were circled around him with a distance of about 30 feet between them and him and the dude still got successfully stabby.
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And, this is what he had said to the cops; "Boyd stated that he would use force to protect himself “because you’re trying to take me over"
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Old March 25th, 2014, 02:12 PM   #33
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OMG we should just kill EVERY human being on this earth because they might kill someone...

That's about what it's coming to.

Yes, a police officer's job can be dangerous, they know that going in. It is not suppose to give then a right to kill anyone for anything.

This guy was living/sleeping on open land because he had no where else to go, and from the sounds of it was also mentally unstable and our system failed to help him. This was handled terribly.
I'm not one to favor handout for everyone who doesn't want to work, but I also believe we need to help people who need it.
Seems simple to me, don't wave a knife at police, don't get shot.

You want to stand your ground and get into a gun fight with police, use a gun, not a knife.

Last I checked everyone in this country has a right to legal representation, lawyers work a lot better for that than police officers.

Do you argue with a cop about a speeding ticket? No, you request a hearing with the judge.

Do you argue with a cop about shoplifting?

Do you argue with anyone who has a gun pointed at you?
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Old March 25th, 2014, 02:23 PM   #34
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Seems simple to me, don't wave a knife at police, don't get shot.

You want to stand your ground and get into a gun fight with police, use a gun, not a knife.

Last I checked everyone in this country has a right to legal representation, lawyers work a lot better for that than police officers.

Do you argue with a cop about a speeding ticket? No, you request a hearing with the judge.

Do you argue with a cop about shoplifting?

Do you argue with anyone who has a gun pointed at you?
Save that battle for another time.

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Old March 25th, 2014, 02:32 PM   #35
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Did you guys see where the police knew this guy to be most likely mentally challenged?

Do you not have a moral issue with shooting someone in the back who appears to be moving to the ground?

or shooting them more while they are on the ground crying that they can't move?

Keep in mind this was not someone being sought for any violent crime.

He was homeless living among boulders on a hillside.
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And he had a knife and refused orders and had threatened the police.

Did you not see the comment above about a guy wielding a knife that successfully stabbed several officers who had guns pointed at them?

Have you never heard that the rules of engagement for cops is to not make physical contact with someone who has a weapon?

Did you ever see the video of the guy who had a gun and the cop kept threatening him and finally the guy fatally shot the cop because he hesitated to shoot?

Do you realize a guy can throw a knife pretty damn accurate?

It is a sad situation and I feel bad for the guy............. sort of. But I also feel for a cop who puts his life on the line dealing with the scum of the earth every day and first and foremost, he needs to protect himself.

I don't know what he was doing when he was actually shot but obviously 2 different cops saw a threat and responded. Yes...... the boorah was uncalled for.
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Old March 25th, 2014, 03:36 PM   #38
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Did you guys see where the police knew this guy to be most likely mentally challenged?

Do you not have a moral issue with shooting someone in the back who appears to be moving to the ground?

or shooting them more while they are on the ground crying that they can't move?

Keep in mind this was not someone being sought for any violent crime.

He was homeless living among boulders on a hillside.
I guess you have a lot more information than the cops did in that situation.

How long do you let a threat stand with a knife in his hand before you remove the threat?

If I send someone who is mentally challenged over to your house with a knife you'll just let him do his thing right?

I mean we all know someone who is "most likely" mentally challenged can't do any harm right?

Ever heard the term retard strength?
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Old March 25th, 2014, 03:50 PM   #39
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The persons mental state shouldn't be an issue. The person is either a threat or not. I didn't read any articles, I just watched the video. Did they try bean bags on him before they shot him with lead? I saw the flashbang which appeared to be fired pretty far away from him but I didn't see where they used bean bags. The guy was turning around to either walk/run away or lay down. With as many officers as there was there, why didn't they give non-lethal more of an opportunity?
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