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Old April 1st, 2014, 11:28 AM   #121
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Go to pay scale and actually look at the numbers. They are rating the schools simply based on the overall dollar amount of the ROI not as a percentage of the cost. That pushes Kettering way down the list.
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Old April 1st, 2014, 11:59 AM   #122
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My $.02:

I graduated from state May of 2012 with a Civil Engineering degree. (Bad field to get into, the pay is not what any other class of engineering is) My pitfall was going to a private school (Trine, Formerly known as Tri-State) for my freshman year, racked up $30k in debt in one year thinking I'd be able to pay it all off without a problem.

With my experience in engineering, applying for jobs, and my limited professional exposure, the school you come from is like the tie you wear to an interview. It's important, but not the end-all-be-all. The most important thing is to go to an accredited school, one that you can afford on top of that (I took my entire 5 years out on loans, with 1 semester as a paid coop). You also need to get involved in the college and the activities they offer (like concrete canoe team ) and get an internship each summer.

In the end, engineering school objectives:
- graduate from an accredited school (location isn't important, just be somewhere you WANT to be)
- Study, get internships, get involved; and last but not least,
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Old April 1st, 2014, 05:20 PM   #124
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I just got a letter in the mail today staying that Kettering alumni get 10% off liberty mutual insurance.

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Old April 1st, 2014, 07:06 PM   #125
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Go to pay scale and actually look at the numbers. They are rating the schools simply based on the overall dollar amount of the ROI not as a percentage of the cost. That pushes Kettering way down the list.
if you go to their data, and actually read how they define the ROI, it is as follows;

20 year ROI X The total income that a graduate will earn after graduation in 20 years of working, minus both what they would have earned as a high school graduate and the cost of college (tuition, room and board, books and supplies), minus the average financial aid amount awarded to students at that school if that filter has been selected. It is their net earnings in 20 years as a college graduate

It does include the price of that specific college.

It doesn't, however, include your SALARY AS A MANDITORY CO-OP whic of course, just increases your ROI.

EDIT- The ANNUAL ROI percentage that they give you is probably not what you think. They define is as;
Allows you to compare the return over 20 years when investing your money in a degree at a certain school, as opposed to investing your money in other ways, like the stock market or bonds.

So that portion does include the price of the total education.

So Kettering is ranked 41 Nationally, right behing Duke and Bucknell. MTU is at 55 (still good choice)
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Right, look at the column next to it. Earnings over 20 years vs. Cost of school.... They are way down the list.

I'm by no means saying Kettering is a bad school, it's quite the opposite.... It's just pricey
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Right, look at the column next to it. Earnings over 20 years vs. Cost of school.... They are way down the list.

I'm by no means saying Kettering is a bad school, it's quite the opposite.... It's just pricey
I dont see that column anywhere
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I dont see that column anywhere
http://www.payscale.com/college-roi/by-state/Michigan

Sorry, it's annual ROI not 20 year
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yep, and from a few posts up

EDIT- The ANNUAL ROI percentage that they give you is probably not what you think. They define is as;
Allows you to compare the return over 20 years when investing your money in a degree at a certain school, as opposed to investing your money in other ways, like the stock market or bonds.

the annual ROI has nothing to do with how much you make, it is only based on tuition costs
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yep, and from a few posts up

EDIT- The ANNUAL ROI percentage that they give you is probably not what you think. They define is as;
Allows you to compare the return over 20 years when investing your money in a degree at a certain school, as opposed to investing your money in other ways, like the stock market or bonds.

the annual ROI has nothing to do with how much you make, it is only based on tuition costs
I missed that.

Either way, I just played around a little bit on that site, depending on how you manipulate the data the outcome changes a lot, for instance sort the results so that it shows only engineering majors, that pushes MTU and Kettering way down the list.

I guess my point is that I could find ways to justify or dispute just about any decent school, what's right for me may not be right for you or the next guy. There are a couple great engineering schools in the state of Michigan, my opinion is that whether or not any one in particular is worthwhile depends on the individual. I know really smart guys who are good engineers that went to MTU and really dumb ones too. I suspect the same would be true had I gone to Kettering.

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I missed that.

Either way, I just played around a little bit on that site, depending on how you manipulate the data the outcome changes a lot, for instance sort the results so that it shows only engineering majors, that pushes MTU and Kettering way down the list.

I guess my point is that I could find ways to justify or dispute just about any decent school, what's right for me may not be right for you or the next guy. There are a couple great engineering schools in the state of Michigan, my opinion is that whether or not any one in particular is worthwhile depends on the individual. I know really smart guys who are good engineers that went to MTU and really dumb ones too. I suspect the same would be true had I gone to Kettering.
None of the dumb people I went to school with graduated with an engineering degree.....mgt is a different story
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Of course the resources and connections made can also led to entrepreneurship out of Kettering. One of the more recent examples:http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/inde...im_for_ki.html

Of course there are also many successful established businesses that were started by Kettering graduates... Including but not limited to industries such as automotive, medical, environmental, and other high tech/web based.

Sure entrepreneurs can sprout from any university, or none at all, but just another successful twist from the standard engineering path most assume Kettering students end up on.

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