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Old March 26th, 2014, 08:50 AM   #101
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Sadly, yes. Luckily between girls back home and a (very) few good ones up in da yoop, I did alright.

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I would agree completely. My brothers have zero college experience yet make 10X what I make in a year, and are some of the wealthiest people I know. My dad has an 8th grade education rasied in the south on welfare and retired at 45 years old and loves life....Im the sucker that went and got an BSME and makes crap compared to them all. College is a good tool for 90% of the people out there to make an average income. I feel College has limited me to pushing my boundaries as Im afraid to take a chance and lose what I have. Some times I regret my decision of college and wish I would have taken a chance like my brothers and Dad did....sink or swim. College and white collar jobs just let you bob around in the water.
Hopefully I don't repeat too much of what Jim already said. I absolutely agree that a college degree isn't the end-all to success, not by a long shot. I agree that college is a good tool to get you on the road to moderate success....the middle class. It works, and if you just do what you're supposed to do day to day, chances are you'll stay on that road. It makes it easy to get into a routine, and spend 40 years of your life skating by and living reasonably well.....but I don't think it limits you by any means. What it takes to succeed and be at the top is the drive. If you have the drive you'll use it, degree or not. With a degree maybe it means climbing the corporate ladder. Without one maybe it means starting your own company and building it from the ground up. But what's stopping a degreed, college educated individual from doing the same? Themselves, that's all. Sure, having a good job and a steady paycheck will make it harder to step away and take those risks to make it big....but still the only thing holding you back is yourself. If you want it, go and take it. I've had ideas to go off on my own and try and make something big, but I know I don't have the drive to do it, nor the willingness to take the risk; I sweat the little things way too much for that. I'm gonna end up being one of the guys skating by for 40 years, which is insane. I just turned 30 and am already extremely sick of the rat race.

If you don't mind me asking, what is it your dad and brothers did to achieve their success? Like what field/business are/were they in? I don't expect you to reveal all their secrets of success, but I won't argue if you want to.
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Old March 26th, 2014, 08:52 AM   #102
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And that's the decision you have to make in life sometimes......

Line workers for the auto's often made 100k, people bitched like crazy and threw tizzie fits. What they forgot was many of those guys were working 2nd and 3rd shifts, with a $1 or more shift premium, 8, 9, 10, 12, hour days, weekends, 7 days straight for weeks at a time, etc.

Same with many shop floor positions.

Most people with a college education in a white collar job don't work much more than a straight 40-50. Sure we all have weeks where we work 60,70, even 80 hours, sure we all have nights where we get stuck working late, or working weekends, etc.

In the end it's what you value more. I'm glad I got my college education so that I could open more opportunities up to myself. I also enjoy knowing that I only have to work as many hours as I need to work to get my job done. Sometimes that means i can work a straight 30, other times that means I have to work 60 or on the weekends. But it really depends on my own progress throughout the week and not a mandatory weekend or OT schedule.

There are plenty of jobs where I could make the same amount of money with out my education. But I don't want to be working on the shop floor turning in 20 hours of OT each week to achieve that. I'd rather spend those 20 hours with my kids.
And there's the reason why I am going to school. I value my time more than I value working OT. I'd rather make the same money and work half as much/hard.
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Old March 26th, 2014, 09:47 AM   #103
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move to where the oil is, and work your ass off.

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Guys on the floor here make about 80-90k with their overtime.
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I was considering moving up north to work the oil fields. Fukc the cold.

Then I thought about heading down to Texas. I don't even know how to apply to one of those jobs.

Damn that's quite a bit of money to be working on the floor. What does your company do?
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Old March 26th, 2014, 10:11 PM   #105
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Old March 26th, 2014, 10:42 PM   #108
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I have mixed feelings on many things that have been said here, so this is my experience:

I have zero college experience, graduated high school a year late from night school. I'm not a book smart guy by any means.

I currently work in automotive skilled trades, I make what I feel is good money, 28$. I have the option to go to Chrysler but turned it down because I would be stuck on a off shift for life, and if I go big three I want to be at truck and bus.

It's taken me years to catch up with some of my buddies that went to Kettering, they did there time at college and hired into kick ass jobs when I was still trying to build my resume to make up for lack of schooling.

That being said, since I'm a weld tech. I get the pleasure to work with all sorts of dumb ass engineer's that don't know shit. Literally guys with all sorts of "schooling" that don't know the basics of robotics or welding. The few that have been worth anything came from kettering.

Everyday I regret not going with them.
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That being said, since I'm a weld tech. I get the pleasure to work with all sorts of dumb ass engineer's that don't know shit. Literally guys with all sorts of "schooling" that don't know the basics of robotics or welding. The few that have been worth anything came from kettering.

Everyday I regret not going with them.
No amount of schooling can weed out the clueless. Plenty of great engineering students are awful engineers, regardless of the school they went to. I've worked with plenty of great engineers and plenty of useless ones. The great ones are those who have common sense, the technical and mechanical knowledge to be able to apply the principles taught in school, the ability to think outside the box, and the ability to communicate it all. That's not something school teaches you.

Example: I work with one guy who's pretty smart, has a masters in Automotive Engineering and is about to enroll in the doctorate program(all from a well known engineering school), but is absolutely clueless mechanically. I don't think he'd know which end of a wrench to hold. He's got decent concepts, but can't applying them is a whole different story....but he can fill out a spec sheet like a champ!
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I have mixed feelings on many things that have been said here, so this is my experience:

I have zero college experience, graduated high school a year late from night school. I'm not a book smart guy by any means.

I currently work in automotive skilled trades, I make what I feel is good money, 28$. I have the option to go to Chrysler but turned it down because I would be stuck on a off shift for life, and if I go big three I want to be at truck and bus.

It's taken me years to catch up with some of my buddies that went to Kettering, they did there time at college and hired into kick ass jobs when I was still trying to build my resume to make up for lack of schooling.

That being said, since I'm a weld tech. I get the pleasure to work with all sorts of dumb ass engineer's that don't know shit. Literally guys with all sorts of "schooling" that don't know the basics of robotics or welding. The few that have been worth anything came from kettering.

Everyday I regret not going with them.
Similar boat here, 4.5 years of HS under my belt. Learned a trade (automation) I'm 31 now, been doing it since I was 19.

I'm now the controls manager at my job and have (3) degreed Engineers working for me.

It can and does happen.
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And there's the reason why I am going to school. I value my time more than I value working OT. I'd rather make the same money and work half as much/hard.

Not sure how that works. Most of the people that I work with are engineers. They don't work 1/2 the time for more $$$. Additionally, it is a salary job and eventually the only way to make more is to advance. When you advance in a salary position there is more time expected (casual/unpaid overtime) and more responsibility (stress). Very few corporate jobs, if any, with an education requirement will pay more $$$ for less time..

If you find one, please let me in on it!

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Sadly, yes. Luckily between girls back home and a (very) few good ones up in da yoop, I did alright.

If you don't mind me asking, what is it your dad and brothers did to achieve their success? Like what field/business are/were they in? I don't expect you to reveal all their secrets of success, but I won't argue if you want to.
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Not sure how that works. Most of the people that I work with are engineers. They don't work 1/2 the time for more $$$. Additionally, it is a salary job and eventually the only way to make more is to advance. When you advance in a salary position there is more time expected (casual/unpaid overtime) and more responsibility (stress). Very few corporate jobs, if any, with an education requirement will pay more $$$ for less time..

If you find one, please let me in on it!

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Not many people can handle knowing that the decisions they make on a daily basis have consequences that often directly impact tens/hundreds/thousands of families.
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Not many people can handle knowing that the decisions they make on a daily basis have consequences that often directly impact tens/hundreds/thousands of families.
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