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Old March 25th, 2014, 09:02 PM   #81
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No doubt college is about money, but so is everything else in life. It's still useful in getting a job because many employers require. Not because it teaches you to be the CEO over night.
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Old March 25th, 2014, 09:09 PM   #83
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Translation, I did go to college, I did well in college, I'm not fooled into believing that college is the answer and consider it the biggest fucking scam on the planet that society has deemed people can't live without. The truth whether you choose to ignore it or not is college has become about money, not education. Given your limited reply I understand you are flummoxed by the very notion.
I agree. Unfortunately as mentioned there are very few companies that will hire people for good, and I may take flack for this, real skill jobs that aren't hard labor without a degree. If you've got the drive, smarts, and skills the thing to do (at least IMO) is go at it on your own. Takes some big stones to accept that responsibility though, especially if you've got a family, and honestly I believe college would give you way more perspective to be in a position like that.

To the topic at hand, here's my 2 cents:

A BS degree is really becoming an associates degree. Yes you can get good jobs with them, but look at mid-level positions and you'll find the typical requested degree is a masters. I'm talking positions that are looking for 2-5 years experience, not mid-career positions. Hell the major OEM's are moving towards technicians having BS degrees...

If I had to do it again, I'd probably go to a reputable engineering school, but plan to find a job AND re-enroll in grad school immediately after the four year was done. If I was positive I could transfer CC course work into a university, I'd do that for my gen-ed coursework, and spend the first year in school working somewhere related to what I wanted to do (machine shop if BSME, etc.).

I'm not knocking Kettering or any expensive school for that matter, but honestly I believe in 10 years you're going to almost have to have a MS degree for career advancement. Once that's on the paper, your BS school isn't anything anyone really looks at. That's not to say you can't have "just" a BS degree and make a good living, get promoted, get ahead. It just won't be as "easy" because unfortunately in today's world that piece of paper (any of them) opens doors. I know some managers that will interview solely off of how impressed they are with credentials...could care less about real world experience.


Having said that, the co-op's kettering forces you to do may be worth the cost of admission. I didn't go there, but I can say with 100% certainty doing the internships/co-ops I chose to do in school are the reason why I got my foot in the door when I graduated. Regardless where someone chooses to go, I would say doing this type of work is a MUST.

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Old March 25th, 2014, 09:20 PM   #84
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I'm one of the few that got lucky on the other side of the fence... Dropped out of college a couple times becasue I was bored. Got lucky with a couple certifications, and years later, a bit of hard work, and a lot of luck I got a decent gig, with a decent company.

Right now we are hiring. 1 position. We have been looking for ~ 8 months. The guys that have associates, and bachelors in chemistry, sciences ect... They don't even get an interview. Essentially leaving them over qualified and unemployed. The other applicants have resumes that may interest a fast food manager.
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Old March 25th, 2014, 09:22 PM   #85
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Cough up the $12 and you could have seen them. They were nice but as always much better in person.
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Cough up the $12 and you could have seen them. They were nice but as always much better in person.
She's also much hotter in the dark when you're hammered drunk.... also much hotter in a sea of sausages.
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She's also much hotter in the dark when you're hammered drunk.... also much hotter in a sea of sausages.
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With the rising costs of tuition in general, and the increasing difficulty of getting loans, there's going to be a backlash against traditional college education.

Not saying it's going to be as prevalent in the engineering fields, but a lot less people are going to be going to college for bullshit degrees like communications.

Now, I went to Kettering and didn't graduate. I am quite successful anyway, but, I will gladly attribute much of my success to the time spent in the co-op program. Another plus of Kettering is the network of other fairly successful people you will connect with. Just wish I hadn't had to rack up 40k in student loans in the process...
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The smartest person I know did not go to college. The wealthiest person I know did not go to college. College is a money grabbing bullshit scam. It would take a whole shake up of our work force to get rid of college. The only reason employers are shitty educators is because the morons they employ, who in turn think they are the best in the business.
I would agree completely. My brothers have zero college experience yet make 10X what I make in a year, and are some of the wealthiest people I know. My dad has an 8th grade education rasied in the south on welfare and retired at 45 years old and loves life....Im the sucker that went and got an BSME and makes crap compared to them all. College is a good tool for 90% of the people out there to make an average income. I feel College has limited me to pushing my boundaries as Im afraid to take a chance and lose what I have. Some times I regret my decision of college and wish I would have taken a chance like my brothers and Dad did....sink or swim. College and white collar jobs just let you bob around in the water.
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I hate school.
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Where I work (chemical industry) technicians or process operators make a good bit more than engineers. I'm an operator and a friend is a chemical engineer. He has a bachelors and I have an associates degree and make ~$20k more per year than he does.

I was going to go to engineering school and had it narrowed down to MTU, Kettering, or MIT. After looking at the financial hardship any of those schools would have put me in I decided to take a chance and quit school altogether. I found that, well I could make decent money doing shit jobs, I couldn't get ahead with no degree at all. I went to community college and spent $10k on a degree that put me in a job where I make $90K+ with an awesome benefit package.

Moral of the story: You don't have to go to a big name/big money school to make a good living.
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Like I said before, there are careers that require additional education. But, I think the bigger consideration of whether a person is successful or not is work ethics, which doesn't require a degree. One of the benefits of a hard school like KU is that it weeds out those that don't want to work. So, if you have a program where only the best run its course till completion, you have done half the work of finding those who want to work versus those who want to coast. In the school of hard knocks, sometimes it is harder and takes longer to make that separation.

If I were to rewind the clock for 30 years, I would have gone for an MBA.

I also agree with barry1me, those who were in a sink or swim situation at an early age did exactly that......... the good ones swam to the top. Years ago I had an opportunity to go partners in an existing design company. My other option was to go with an established 75 year old company. I took the safe route, which kept me in middle class. I've always wondered "what if?".
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If I quit school, I'm going to blame this thread.

But no. What I do, anybody could really do. I can see where school would defiantly give you the upper hand as far as knowing big words and math, but really, it's mainly just testing and seeing what works ie Research and Innovation. Granted I am only an intern, but I haven't needed any of my schooling yet to really help me get past a certain spot in my job yet. I would much rather do something that I enjoy than this. I hate the automotive scene. I would much rather be in motorsports. Sadly, it seems like you need a degree to do anything these days (at least that's what they tell you). If I knew how to get a start in a career that I could end up making between $80k-100k a year, without a degree, sign me up.
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move to where the oil is, and work your ass off.

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Guys on the floor here make about 80-90k with their overtime.
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move to where the oil is, and work your ass off.

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Guys on the floor here make about 80-90k with their overtime.
I was considering moving up north to work the oil fields. Fukc the cold.

Then I thought about heading down to Texas. I don't even know how to apply to one of those jobs.

Damn that's quite a bit of money to be working on the floor. What does your company do?
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I was considering moving up north to work the oil fields. Fukc the cold.

Then I thought about heading down to Texas. I don't even know how to apply to one of those jobs.

Damn that's quite a bit of money to be working on the floor. What does your company do?
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I was considering moving up north to work the oil fields. Fukc the cold.

Then I thought about heading down to Texas. I don't even know how to apply to one of those jobs.

Damn that's quite a bit of money to be working on the floor. What does your company do?
my company makes bearings, custom ones. I think those guys work a lot of weekends and overtime though.

They have also been here ~30 years, so they have long since been topped out on their pay grade.



I have a family friend that works in the oil fields in the dakota's. He pretty much just started calling around over there and took one. drove out there at some point.
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move to where the oil is, and work your ass off.

also,

Guys on the floor here make about 80-90k with their overtime.
And that's the decision you have to make in life sometimes......

Line workers for the auto's often made 100k, people bitched like crazy and threw tizzie fits. What they forgot was many of those guys were working 2nd and 3rd shifts, with a $1 or more shift premium, 8, 9, 10, 12, hour days, weekends, 7 days straight for weeks at a time, etc.

Same with many shop floor positions.

Most people with a college education in a white collar job don't work much more than a straight 40-50. Sure we all have weeks where we work 60,70, even 80 hours, sure we all have nights where we get stuck working late, or working weekends, etc.

In the end it's what you value more. I'm glad I got my college education so that I could open more opportunities up to myself. I also enjoy knowing that I only have to work as many hours as I need to work to get my job done. Sometimes that means i can work a straight 30, other times that means I have to work 60 or on the weekends. But it really depends on my own progress throughout the week and not a mandatory weekend or OT schedule.

There are plenty of jobs where I could make the same amount of money with out my education. But I don't want to be working on the shop floor turning in 20 hours of OT each week to achieve that. I'd rather spend those 20 hours with my kids.
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I have a friend that worked as a field engineer in North Dakota in the oil fields, If I remember correctly, His starting pay was not that great around 50-55K a year. He did get basically everything else other then food paid for though (gave him a company truck, paid gas, and housing.
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