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Old March 25th, 2014, 09:44 AM   #21
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I'm currently working with someone in their thirties that received a degree from baker for engineering. They did not take a calculus or calculus based class. He is sharp, but his education didn't do much to help him.

While I wouldn't compare Baker to Kettering, I think the guy you work with has a technology degree, not an engineering degree. Baker's Mechanical Engineering degree is not offered in Muskegon and it does require 4 calculus classes.

To the OP...make sure that engineering is what you want to do before you drop the coin. I always thought I wanted to go into engineering but I stuck with design and I have more fun than any engineer I know. Not to mention that it's a lot easier to go off on your own as a designer than an engineer.
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At today's cost for tuition, I would not recommend it. Not because it's a bad school, but because I wouldn't recommend college for anyone not getting a company to pay for it anymore. I'd ask the university questions about their failure to curb costs against inflation and what additional education you get now vs 1987 at more than 6 times the cost. Ask if starting wages are 6 times higher now than in 1987. I'll give you a hint, it was harder to pass classes in 1987 and you needed more credits to graduate until 1999 or so.

Colleges have been completely out of control and wages have been relatively stagnant up until the last 2 yrs or so. The smartest people I know(from a cost of degree standpoint) worked full time for companies that provided tuition reimbursement. Those people used the tuition reimbursement program to pay for their college education and were actively involved in learning at work during those years. The reimbursement dollar amount is usually capped so making your dollar go further toward the final degree is important. Take everything that'll transfer in at a community college for pennies on the dollar and take as many as you can handle while working full time. It takes a couple years longer and you don't get the "party through college" experience but you won't have an $800+/month payment for 10/15 yrs after the fact. I firmly believe online education will replace the traditional college format because of traditional colleges failure to curb costs. How many articles do you read now days about college graduates taking entry level $10-15/hr jobs just to start paying back their loans. These are the same "kids" still living at home at 26 yrs old because they honestly can't afford a place of their own while repaying student loans. It really is a problem, don't be a statistic.

I've worked with engineers with degrees from Kettering, Purdue, Ohio State, MSU, UM, GVSU, Western, Central, MITech, Northern MI, Notre Dame, ect ect. ranging from technologies degrees to PhD's and the good ones have been smart, humble, hard working, practical, and driven. It doesn't matter where you went to school once you have 2 yrs experience as long as you have a degree and aren't a dumbass in interviews. Don't tell too many about that little secret, colleges get big money selling the name. You'll get big money by being smart, humble, hard working, practical, and driven.


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"Tuition History
What was tuition at Kettering University for the past five, ten, fifteen or twenty years? Looking at historical tuition increase rates may provide an indication as to expected increases in the future. Historical tuition and fees for all available data years back to 1987 follows.

2010 - $28,032 Tuition and Fees. 4.1% Annual Increase
2009 - $26,936 Tuition and Fees. 5% Annual Increase
2008 - $25,658 Tuition and Fees. 3% Annual Increase
2007 - $24,908 Tuition and Fees. 4.9% Annual Increase
2006 - $23,748 Tuition and Fees. 5.2% Annual Increase
2005 - $22,580 Tuition and Fees. 12.7% Annual Increase
2004 - $20,044 Tuition and Fees. 7.4% Annual Increase
2003 - $18,663 Tuition and Fees. 0% Annual Increase
2002 - $18,656 Tuition and Fees. 15.8% Annual Increase
2001 - $16,110 Tuition and Fees. 9.1% Annual Increase
2000 - $14,764 Tuition and Fees. 4.6% Annual Increase
1999 - $14,112 Tuition and Fees. 3.1% Annual Increase
1998 - $13,691 Tuition and Fees. 4.5% Annual Increase
1997 - $13,102 Tuition and Fees. 5% Annual Increase
1996 - $12,479 Tuition and Fees. 6.4% Annual Increase
1995 - $11,730 Tuition and Fees. 6.6% Annual Increase
1994 - $11,000 Tuition and Fees. 7.4% Annual Increase
1993 - $10,240 Tuition and Fees. 7.9% Annual Increase
1992 - $9,490 Tuition and Fees. 26.8% Annual Increase
1991 - $7,482 Tuition and Fees. 8.7% Annual Increase
1990 - $6,882 Tuition and Fees. 9.7% Annual Increase
1989 - $6,272 Tuition and Fees. 6.8% Annual Increase
1988 - $5,872 Tuition and Fees. 7.5% Annual Increase
1987 - $5,464 Tuition and Fees. "
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Oakland, Lawrence Tech, Kettering, U of M, Toledo, Michigan Tech. Best local options, but make sure you are getting a true BSME and make sure it is an acredited program.

Don't get a BSMET unless you like/enjoy fighting an uphill battle.

Not all employers will descredit the BSMET, but many do. BSMET is not bad, but BSME from an employability standpoint is better.
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Kettering puts you 4 years ahead of every other college. Employers know this.

I don't have time to type out all the reasons, but it is worth it. I am sure I have already gave my praise to Kettering on this website before, searching should find it.
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While I wouldn't compare Baker to Kettering, I think the guy you work with has a technology degree, not an engineering degree. Baker's Mechanical Engineering degree is not offered in Muskegon and it does require 4 calculus classes.
Thats cute. Try taking all 4 of those classes and hammering it out in 24 weeks. Can't hang? You don't get a KU degree.
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Kettering puts you 4 years ahead of every other college. Employers know this.

I don't have time to type out all the reasons, but it is worth it. I am sure I have already gave my praise to Kettering on this website before, searching should find it.
I agree with this to a point. Not all employers know this believe it or not. I've brought it to many potential hiring managers attention. There are still managers out there that would only like to see a big ten degree.....

Also, if a kid does an internship each of his 4 years in college he has a much better chance of getting a good job as an entry level candidate, regardless of school.

Entry level's are in very high demand right now, most idiots with a peice of paper that says engineer can have their pick if they have at least completed 2 co-ops/internships.
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Thanks for the replies, keep them coming

Im asking for one of my sons who is accepted at Kettering, but money will be an issue (another son is already going to State). IF the payback justifies the extra costs of Kettering then we will try to find a way to make it work, but Id hate for him to take on a load of debt and then be no better off in the long run. We have to plan for the worst (ie he has to take $100K in loans) though hopefully his final debt would be no more than half that.

His major will be computer science and maybe EE if that makes any difference.
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Thats cute. Try taking all 4 of those classes and hammering it out in 24 weeks. Can't hang? You don't get a KU degree.
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Thanks for the replies, keep them coming

Im asking for one of my sons who is accepted at Kettering, but money will be an issue (another son is already going to State). IF the payback justifies the extra costs of Kettering then we will try to find a way to make it work, but Id hate for him to take on a load of debt and then be no better off in the long run. We have to plan for the worst (ie he has to take $100K in loans) though hopefully his final debt would be no more than half that.

His major will be computer science and maybe EE if that makes any difference.
I agree with the take some of the classes that transfer in, saves a boatload of cash. also, try to get to where he can take 20 credits, same cost as 16... unless they changed that since I graduated.
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I liked the pace, I liked the program, but I can't see how they are currently justifing OVER 18k per QUARTER for tuition alone for new students.
The pace is what weeds out the un-driven. You are ignoring your income as a co-op.
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Would I make the same decision present day? No.
I really bet that if you in the same shoes in high school, and went through the same process, you would go back. Yes it was a pain in the ass, yes, Flint sucks, but you are so much farther ahead than you realize.

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I almost went to Kettering. I had done multiple tours, got accepted, and was 95% decided on it, but figured I should go check out Michigan Tech since it had a comparable reputation. I decided against MTU when we were halfway there due to the drive, then fell completely in love with it when we got there. That's where I went, and I'm very happy with my choice.

Kettering is a great school in an awful area. The co-op program is very cool and I'm glad they push people to get the experience. One of the other things that drove me away from it though, is that when the economy and auto industry were in the crapper, there weren't many/enough co-op jobs to be found. I had a friend start at Kettering a year before I planned on it and he worked at The Gap because he couldn't find an engineering job. Did he look hard enough or was he worth a damn in interviews? I don't know. Either way, not a big selling point for me. A current coworker of mine went there, is a smart guy with a good education and makes good money, but has told me plenty of stories about the area the school is in. Example: His car getting stolen out of the campus parking lot. Not sure if this info helps you or not, but it's some of the stuff I think of when I think of Kettering.

My opinion: It's a great school and the costs match. I can't tell you whether or not that's enough reason not to go there. There are other great options in-state as well, most of which are cheaper. Most don't offer a co-op program as structured or long as Kettering, but they do offer them. For example, MTU has career fairs twice a year, tons of companies come up for talks, interviews, etc and MANY people get internships/co-ops and careers after school through this. They also have a department to handle this type of stuff. Difference is, it's up to you to take initiative to get yourself the work experience and connections before graduating, they don't require it as part of your education. I imagine any other school worth a damn has the same type of thing going on.

Cliff notes: Kettering is a good school with a good name, but they're not the only one. If you have the initiative but not the money there are plenty of other good options.
MTU is an awesome school, I would never knock it. I was 95% convinced that is where I was going, but the co-op and accelerated classes sold me on KU. I had also talked to hiring managers at a lot of companies (part of the co-op job serach) and THEY were the ones that sold me on KU, not anyone at KU. Real world hiring managers were activily seaking KU students, that speaks for itself.

Why does averyone ignore the income as a co-op when considering tuition costs? It's not an intern position.
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Thanks for the replies, keep them coming

Im asking for one of my sons who is accepted at Kettering, but money will be an issue (another son is already going to State). IF the payback justifies the extra costs of Kettering then we will try to find a way to make it work, but Id hate for him to take on a load of debt and then be no better off in the long run. We have to plan for the worst (ie he has to take $100K in loans) though hopefully his final debt would be no more than half that.

His major will be computer science and maybe EE if that makes any difference.
Yes it does make a difference. EE salaries have been slightly higher than ME salaries. I don't have any hard data, but EE's are tougher to find and our clients are willing to pay a slight premium for them.
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Kettering puts you 4 years ahead of every other college. Employers know this.

I don't have time to type out all the reasons, but it is worth it. I am sure I have already gave my praise to Kettering on this website before, searching should find it.
So you worked for 4 years, or half of that? The further you get away from detoilet, the less employers put merit in it vs another degree. Even to the point of a president of a company in MI asking me where it was. I didn't end up working there

Their is a little medical company in Kalamazoo that has 10-15 interns working full time the duration of the time they get their degree from WMU and they pay for it in full. Those engineers had 2+ yrs experience on any KU grad I've met. There are other options out there for people motivated to find the right solution for themselves. I'm not going to argue the education, but the education/$ I absolutely would.
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Entry level's are in very high demand right now, most idiots with a peice of paper that says engineer can have their pick if they have at least completed 2 co-ops/internships.
thas because companies are cash strapped but are growing faster than they can currently manage
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Why does averyone ignore the income as a co-op when considering tuition costs? It's not an intern position.
Good point.

Though most "interns" are now paid. Not sure what you made as a co-op while at KU, but most interns we have on our books are making better money than they would if they did construction, landscaping, etc. (your typical "good" paying summer job)
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KU is far from automotive only. My college buddies are doing very well at numerous bio-med companies all over the USA.
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Did you co-op at Ford?
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Did you co-op at Ford?
yes, Ford doesn't pay as well as most people believe though. But benefits are solid.
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I was making around 20k/yr at my co-op. hint for him pick up a part time job during school...

I budgeted $100/week to have fun/eat/fill up my vehicle with gas. Some weeks i went over, other weeks I was under. I had fun, and did all my hunting I wanted to in the fall. I was driving a subaru that got 30 highway though, that helped a lot.
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fast search pulled up these good reads

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yes, Ford doesn't pay as well as most people believe though. But benefits are solid.
A Caucasian male co-oping at an auto oem during that time, that's 1%er status That's straight nofer status ballar!
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