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Old March 25th, 2014, 06:52 AM   #1
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Assuming you graduate with $100K worth of debt going to Kettering, is it really worth it compared to a much less expensive school, like State which would cost about half as much?
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Kettering will prepare you for the real world better than any other school for engineering.

I ended up with 60k in school debts, but after meeting plenty of other engineers in the same experience level, I would say Kettering is well above many of the rest.

Flint sucks.

There is no reason you should end up with that much unless you spend every dollar you make on partying or other hobbies, plan accordingly, apply for scholarships (especially the Kettering ones).

If you go there already, don't think you are pulling a fast one on the world because you can get that piece of paper somewhere else.

I'm currently working with someone in their thirties that received a degree from baker for engineering. They did not take a calculus or calculus based class. He is sharp, but his education didn't do much to help him.


Businesses that know about Kettering tend to give offers well above newly graduated engineers, and give to the Kettering kids more frequently.

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I would say yes. I didnt graduate from there but everyone I know that did had good jobs lined up upon graduation. If you get several internships during college it shouldnt matter where you go to school. My old employer had 20+ Kettering graduates so it was a shoe in for future grads from kettering to get an offer from them.
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Ford is offering Entry Level BSME's 70k right now.
Nissan is in the 65-70K Range. (in Farmington Hills, wages are adjusted by location, in TN it is closer to 55k-60k but they don't have state income tax)
General Mills is offering $69k + 6k sign on bonuses

If you are not an idiot when you graduate you should be able to live normally for 3-5 years while paying off your debt. (ie Live off 30-35k and spend 20k per year paying off your debt)

You'll also have 4 years worth of co-op experience coming out of school, I believe most kettering co-ops get paid "something"
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Ford is offering Entry Level BSME's 70k right now.
Nissan is in the 65-70K Range. (in Farmington Hills, wages are adjusted by location, in TN it is closer to 55k-60k but they don't have state income tax)
General Mills is offering $69k + 6k sign on bonuses

If you are not an idiot when you graduate you should be able to live normally for 3-5 years while paying off your debt. (ie Live off 30-35k and spend 20k per year paying off your debt)

You'll also have 4 years worth of co-op experience coming out of school, I believe most kettering co-ops get paid "something"
Those offer prices are on the high end, on the Detroit side of the state. I took a "pay cut", to work on the West side.

I don't know of a kettering co-op that is unpaid. some don't pay very well, though.


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Detroit is on the east side of the state. So I'm not sure what you are trying to say
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Those offer prices are on the high end, on the Detroit side of the state. I took a "pay cut", to work on the east side.

I don't know of a kettering co-op that is unpaid. some don't pay very well, though.
you took a pay cut to work on the EAST side?

did I read that wrong?
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my bad. I meant west. I don't know why I wrote east.


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my bad. I meant west. I don't know why I wrote east.


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Didn't your KU classes teach you to proof read what you type before you submit it?
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Those offer prices are on the high end, on the Detroit side of the state. I took a "pay cut", to work on the West side.

I don't know of a kettering co-op that is unpaid. some don't pay very well, though.


EDIT: west side
I didn't quote any west side data.

Chrysler is also in the $65-70k range. Not sure on GM currently.

Smaller companies will likely not pay as high, I know the tier suppliers are typically a hair below what the oem's are for pay rates. But it's also tougher to get your foot in the door at the OEM's.
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Didn't your KU classes teach you to proof read what you type before you submit it?
KU teaches english?
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I didn't quote any west side data.

Chrysler is also in the $65-70k range. Not sure on GM currently.

Smaller companies will likely not pay as high, I know the tier suppliers are typically a hair below what the oem's are for pay rates. But it's also tougher to get your foot in the door at the OEM's.
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KU teaches english?
They probably should, maybe you would have gotten a better offer?
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They probably should, maybe you would have gotten a better offer?
Meh, I'm looking for a job change...
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Meh, I'm looking for a job change...
Hopefully not english teacher?
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Hopefully not english teacher?
why not?














My grammar is not that bad. Early in the morning I tend to say things backwards...
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As much as I disliked the location of the school, I think it was worth it. I do not know anyone that graduated from KU that didn't have a job within 3 months of graduating with higher salary then the average. I have a cousin that graduated from Western with an ME degree (with no co/op experience) and she ended up having to spend a year working as a co/op after she was done with school before getting a real job.

I probably ended up having a little bit more debt then some because I took 5 years to finish, didn't have a co/op for a year and a half (economy took a dump and no one was hiring). On average though from most of my friends they have around $40-50K in debt.

All in all, I am not sure I would do it differently.
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Kettering most definitely does not teach English. Consequently, the one class I almost failed was humanities.

I worked my ass off through there, and didn't end up with 100k in debt but I should have been more aggressive job searching leaving. Graduated in December '07.
I thought long and hard between KU and Michigan Tech and between scholarships and a low end co-op, it was cheaper at the time to go to KU, even with the scholarships Tech offered.

The biggest problem I had was going to classes like heat transfer and you have to walk the prof through how to solve problems. Or as others experienced, taking an Internal Combustion Engines course and the prof teaches about fuel cells for 6 of the 11 weeks.

I liked the pace, I liked the program, but I can't see how they are currently justifing OVER 18k per QUARTER for tuition alone for new students.

Would I make the same decision present day? No.
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I almost went to Kettering. I had done multiple tours, got accepted, and was 95% decided on it, but figured I should go check out Michigan Tech since it had a comparable reputation. I decided against MTU when we were halfway there due to the drive, then fell completely in love with it when we got there. That's where I went, and I'm very happy with my choice.

Kettering is a great school in an awful area. The co-op program is very cool and I'm glad they push people to get the experience. One of the other things that drove me away from it though, is that when the economy and auto industry were in the crapper, there weren't many/enough co-op jobs to be found. I had a friend start at Kettering a year before I planned on it and he worked at The Gap because he couldn't find an engineering job. Did he look hard enough or was he worth a damn in interviews? I don't know. Either way, not a big selling point for me. A current coworker of mine went there, is a smart guy with a good education and makes good money, but has told me plenty of stories about the area the school is in. Example: His car getting stolen out of the campus parking lot. Not sure if this info helps you or not, but it's some of the stuff I think of when I think of Kettering.

My opinion: It's a great school and the costs match. I can't tell you whether or not that's enough reason not to go there. There are other great options in-state as well, most of which are cheaper. Most don't offer a co-op program as structured or long as Kettering, but they do offer them. For example, MTU has career fairs twice a year, tons of companies come up for talks, interviews, etc and MANY people get internships/co-ops and careers after school through this. They also have a department to handle this type of stuff. Difference is, it's up to you to take initiative to get yourself the work experience and connections before graduating, they don't require it as part of your education. I imagine any other school worth a damn has the same type of thing going on.

Cliff notes: Kettering is a good school with a good name, but they're not the only one. If you have the initiative but not the money there are plenty of other good options.
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I almost went to Kettering. I had done multiple tours, got accepted, and was 95% decided on it, but figured I should go check out Michigan Tech since it had a comparable reputation. I decided against MTU when we were halfway there due to the drive, then fell completely in love with it when we got there. That's where I went, and I'm very happy with my choice.

Kettering is a great school in an awful area. The co-op program is very cool and I'm glad they push people to get the experience. One of the other things that drove me away from it though, is that when the economy and auto industry were in the crapper, there weren't many/enough co-op jobs to be found. I had a friend start at Kettering a year before I planned on it and he worked at The Gap because he couldn't find an engineering job. Did he look hard enough or was he worth a damn in interviews? I don't know. Either way, not a big selling point for me. A current coworker of mine went there, is a smart guy with a good education and makes good money, but has told me plenty of stories about the area the school is in. Example: His car getting stolen out of the campus parking lot. Not sure if this info helps you or not, but it's some of the stuff I think of when I think of Kettering.

My opinion: It's a great school and the costs match. I can't tell you whether or not that's enough reason not to go there. There are other great options in-state as well, most of which are cheaper. Most don't offer a co-op program as structured or long as Kettering, but they do offer them. For example, MTU has career fairs twice a year, tons of companies come up for talks, interviews, etc and MANY people get internships/co-ops and careers after school through this. They also have a department to handle this type of stuff. Difference is, it's up to you to take initiative to get yourself the work experience and connections before graduating, they don't require it as part of your education. I imagine any other school worth a damn has the same type of thing going on.

Cliff notes: Kettering is a good school with a good name, but they're not the only one. If you have the initiative but not the money there are plenty of other good options.
Well said. I only directly know a few people who graduated from Kettering and they seemed pretty sharp. No matter the school you're going to have smart guys and idiots, but it sure seems like some of the best engineers I know came from schools like Kettering and Michigan Tech not U of M or Michigan State. I graduated with about $60k in debt but a bit of that was incurred from my MS
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