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Old March 19th, 2014, 06:29 PM   #661
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Any input on a Ruger Mini-14? I have read they've address the wandering/flier problem with an improved barrel. Seen a few at decent prices at the past Birch Run gun show, and their old school looks I like...Thoughts? Anybody own one?
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I don't care if you can maneuver your AR just fine... you can maneuver a pistol better.
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I don't care if you can maneuver your AR just fine... you can maneuver a pistol better.
I don't have any training (yet, keeping an eye out) on home self defense, but I just went through my house with a pistol and then a shotgun in low ready. It really is amazing how much more bulky the long gun is when you start moving around. Conversely, once you get the long gun up the instinctive aiming is so much easier. Just my untrained personal opinion. Really reinforced my thinking that I need to take some classes, too.
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Blanket statement yes, but in a small home it's no bueno. Way too long.



Not to mention, I couldn't imagine lighting off a 5.56 round indoors. My ear drums pound just thinking about it.

Meh I disagree. I've cleared many of rooms with a m16a2 (non retractable butt stock)

Everything is going to be loud indoors

Technically a .45 acp is 2 decibels higher than a 55 grain .223 (ar15)

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Any input on a Ruger Mini-14? I have read they've address the wandering/flier problem with an improved barrel. Seen a few at decent prices at the past Birch Run gun show, and their old school looks I like...Thoughts? Anybody own one?
A good friend and shooting partner does the firearms for the Mi DOC . They pound the hell out of the same Mini 14's every year. He shoots one at most of our AR events . He has the older slow twist models and their newer fast twist model.
The faster twist is much better with today's heavier bullets.
They are good rifles but are in the shadow or the much more popular AR15.
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Any input on a Ruger Mini-14? I have read they've address the wandering/flier problem with an improved barrel. Seen a few at decent prices at the past Birch Run gun show, and their old school looks I like...Thoughts? Anybody own one?

I've got the older one in stainless, threw a folding stock on it before the re-write of the MI pistol definition. It is not as accurate as an ar, but it always works, shoots a 4-5" 20 shot group at 100 yards. I wouldn't grab it to go varmint hunting, but it is a good SD weapon.
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A good friend and shooting partner does the firearms for the Mi DOC . They pound the hell out of the same Mini 14's every year. He shoots one at most of our AR events . He has the older slow twist models and their newer fast twist model.
The faster twist is much better with today's heavier bullets.
They are good rifles but are in the shadow or the much more popular AR15.
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I've got the older one in stainless, threw a folding stock on it before the re-write of the MI pistol definition. It is not as accurate as an ar, but it always works, shoots a 4-5" 20 shot group at 100 yards. I wouldn't grab it to go varmint hunting, but it is a good SD weapon.
This is what I was looking for! I am torn on the mini vs ar.... for my shooting i.e. plinking and hopefully not defense; I think a mini would do the trick. Plus I like the look of them, and saving 5-600 would be in the plus cloumn too.





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I don't care if you can maneuver your AR just fine... you can maneuver a pistol better.
There's certainly nothing wrong with having a pistol for HD, but I'll keep using my AR.
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This is what I was looking for! I am torn on the mini vs ar.... for my shooting i.e. plinking and hopefully not defense; I think a mini would do the trick. Plus I like the look of them, and saving 5-600 would be in the plus cloumn too.





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You won't be saving much money if at all buying a Mini. They are more expensive than some AR's on the market bought new, and probably won't shoot as good either. I can't say I've ever noticed one for sale less than $500 recently.. but you may get lucky if you're patient.
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You won't be saving much money if at all buying a Mini. They are more expensive than some AR's on the market bought new, and probably won't shoot as good either. I can't say I've ever noticed one for sale less than $500 recently.. but you may get lucky if you're patient.
You're right; kind of. Mini-14 6-700. Ar platform I would want 9-1200 so no alot saved but a considerable amount. With that; I probably should have both.
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I looked at Mini-14s for a while. I, too, love the classic lines of it. They're very cool rifles. Just make sure you get a newer one with the upgraded barrel. It corrects the accuracy issues that the Mini is known for.

It still won't be as accurate as an AR15 in the same price category but come on!!! It's a tiny M14 in .223!!

Back to trying to figure out my holster and mag carrier issue with the HK45T.

It looks like I may just have to order the 6280 and hit it with a blow dryer to heat it up and push the gun into it to get the proper mold. Not a fan of having to permanently modify a brand new $120+ holster to make it work but it may be my only option. Tired of waiting for Safariland to reply to my email so I'm just gonna call them today.
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I have a 200'th year Mini 14. I don't think I'd sell it for any less than $850. Seems like a good buy to me.

New vs Old... New will shoot better, Older will go up in value quicker.
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You have to shoot one first before you knock it. I've running a AR pistol and the handling is totally different in a good way.
Try to twist a door knob with a 16-18" barrel then with a 10.5 low ready.
I'm not knocking it, but I would rather have my pistol in a HD situation. For me, a rifle is for long range. Short barrel == long range.
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I'm not knocking it, but I would rather have my pistol in a HD situation. For me, a rifle is for long range. Short barrel == long range.
If you were to ask ten people you would you would most likely get ten opinions. My opinions based on what you see your police dept's and military use. When your local police go to a active shooter call do they use their pistols ? When you see the military clearing a building do you see their rifles slung and pistols drawn ?
Now the two examples are a whole different event that you and I would ever be in but we can use the same tools. Now if someone's knocking at the door yes its easier to answer with a pistol. IF someone kicking the door you can bet the AR15 would be my choice.

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If you were to ask ten people you would you would most likely get ten opinions. My opinions based on what you see your police dept's and military use. When your local police go to a active shooter call do they use their pistols ? When you see the military clearing a building do you see their rifles slung and pistols drawn ?
Now the two examples are a whole different event that you and I would ever be in but we can use the same tools. Now if someone's knocking at the door yes its easier to answer with a pistol. IF someone kicking the door you can bet the AR15 would be my choice.

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I'm not clearing rooms, nor would that even be in my job description.

Like I said, from my point of view, I have zero use for a short rifle and don't see the hoopla about them. I might be in for a short shotgun but only because it's easier for the wife to use when I am away.
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I'm not clearing rooms, nor would that even be in my job description.

Like I said, from my point of view, I have zero use for a short rifle and don't see the hoopla about them. I might be in for a short shotgun but only because it's easier for the wife to use when I am away.
I agree with this.

Actually.....if i'm honest....i have no use for an AR style weapon at all. For a home defense weapon i prefer pistol / shotgun depending on situation. For hunting it's a bolt gun or my muzzle loader. Range time i prefer to spend practicing with what i use. I have shot some AR's and they are just not for me.
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