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Old February 27th, 2014, 10:15 PM   #501
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If SS used one overseas and said it's good stuffs, then i won't question it.
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Old February 27th, 2014, 10:20 PM   #502
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What do I know? I prefer a 40+ year old design of weapon AND holster:





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If SS used one overseas and said it's good stuffs, then i won't question it.
It's all in the training . If you practice drawing from that holster you really shouldn't have an issue. I just posted that link because the guy went into detail why people have issues.
He also brought up a good point for that much retention I didn't think of . While riding quads or motorcycles.
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Old February 27th, 2014, 10:26 PM   #504
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It's all in the training . If you practice drawing from that holster you really shouldn't have an issue. I just posted that link because the guy went into detail why people have issues.
He also brought up a good point for that much retention I didn't think of . While riding quads or motorcycles.
Yea i did like that detail about the amount of retention. I do all of those things, and i have never thought about it like that until reading that article. Like anything, you get used to it. I'm pretty smart when it comes to things like that so i know not to shoot my fucking foot
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If SS used one overseas and said it's good stuffs, then i won't question it.
Keep in mind, the military doesn't see the ADs from the holster because they carry unchambered, and have a long, heavy, DA trigger.
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Here's a trainers opinion on this holster.


http://www.forceoptionsusa.com/blog/...asses-and-why/
This has been discussed around the campfire.
Like SS says, he is trained and proficient.
But what if in the same class you have a novice dufus?
The answer is politically correct, disallow for everyone.

Military SOP is geared toward the least common denominator.
I watched the OOD bludgeon a car struck deers skull with a rock rather than discharge his weapon.
Who knew the deers skull was harder than the rock? I have not thought about that one in years.

If you carry a Glock, they go bang every time the trigger is depressed. Whether it be shirttail, hammer flap, or finger, Glock don't care.

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Old February 28th, 2014, 09:08 AM   #507
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RULE 1
ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

The only exception to this occurs when one has a weapon in his hands and he has personally unloaded it for checking. As soon as he puts it down, Rule 1 applies again.

RULE 2
NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY

You may not wish to destroy it, but you must be clear in your mind that you are quite ready to if you let that muzzle cover the target. To allow a firearm to point at another human being is a deadly threat, and should always be treated as such.

RULE 3
KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER TIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

This we call the Golden Rule because its violation is responsible for about 80 percent of the firearms disasters we read about.

RULE 4
BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET

You never shoot at anything until you have positively identified it. You never fire at a shadow, or a sound, or a suspected presence. You shoot only when you know absolutely what you are shooting at and what is beyond it.
I know that is not NRA. It is my point of contention with PPIH/PPOH.
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But what if in the same class you have a novice dufus?
The answer is politically correct, disallow for everyone.
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I only posted this after the fact because it made in my opinion some good points for the holster and gave a good idea what goes wrong.
I don't like the " I don't like it you can't use it rule" or the " One guy made a mistake all you will too" laws as much as you. And events that I've been to if the RO's see a "Novice Dufus" they take the extra time to help them get up to speed with everyone else.
I like to find out WHY something doesn't work. You see me questioning SS why his BCM is way better then RRA. I want to hear what's the difference and maybe facts to back it up. For every five guys posting there are fifty guys and girls reading.
The trainers point about double pumping the holster make sense. Your tense you go to draw your pistol and it doesn't budge what happens ? A untrained guy starts yanking poking the finger into the button. This is where a problem will arise . You need to practice your draw till you start to do it in your sleep. My old XD has the finish worn off the end of the slide from my Raven.
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Marine corps weapon safety rules:

1. Treat everyone weapon as if it is loaded

2. Never point a weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot

3. Keep your weapon on safe until you're ready to fire.

4. Keep your finger strait and off the trigger until you're ready to fire.
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I only posted this after the fact because it made in my opinion some good points for the holster and gave a good idea what goes wrong.
I don't like the " I don't like it you can't use it rule" or the " One guy made a mistake all you will too" laws as much as you. And events that I've been to if the RO's see a "Novice Dufus" they take the extra time to help them get up to speed with everyone else.
I like to find out WHY something doesn't work. You see me questioning SS why his BCM is way better then RRA. I want to hear what's the difference and maybe facts to back it up. For every five guys posting there are fifty guys and girls reading.
The trainers point about double pumping the holster make sense. Your tense you go to draw your pistol and it doesn't budge what happens ? A untrained guy starts yanking poking the finger into the button. This is where a problem will arise . You need to practice your draw till you start to do it in your sleep. My old XD has the finish worn off the end of the slide from my Raven.
I agree with every point you make.
It's about liability.

"Don't practice till you get it right, practice until you can't get it wrong"

90% of PPIH student get the cert for the CPL, then carry on.
I think a large percent get the CPL and leave the gun in their car.
Most are not shooters. That gun gets as much attention as a fire extinguisher on the wall.
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Marine corps weapon safety rules:

1. Treat everyone weapon as if it is loaded

2. Never point a weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot

3. Keep your weapon on safe until you're ready to fire.

4. Keep your finger strait and off the trigger until you're ready to fire.
I grew up reading Elmer Keith and Jeff Cooper. I think Jeff was right on the safety rules.

The OOD bludgeoning the deer was a Marine Corps captain at MWTC.

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I agree with every point you make.
It's about liability.

"Don't practice till you get it right, practice until you can't get it wrong"

90% of PPIH student get the cert for the CPL, then carry on.
I think a large percent get the CPL and leave the gun in their car.
Most are not shooters. That gun gets as much attention as a fire extinguisher on the wall.
I hand out cards for CPL classes all the time. When my CPL came up for renewal I took the refresher course because I like to tell my customers what's in the class first hand. The popular thing is to tell the clerk you've shot and read the info book.
It was a eye opener for sure.
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I hand out cards for CPL classes all the time. When my CPL came up for renewal I took the refresher course because I like to tell my customers what's in the class first hand. The popular thing is to tell the clerk you've shot and read the info book.
It was a eye opener for sure.
There is no refresher.
But if someone wanted one, I would give them Basic Pistol or PPOH.

The reality is you will never have your blaze of glory (except Detroiters). Knowing that, teach them three things :
1. Safety
2. Safety
3. Safety

I can't teach common sense or how to ignore blind fear.
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There is no refresher.
But if someone wanted one, I would give them Basic Pistol or PPOH.

The reality is you will never have your blaze of glory (except Detroiters). Knowing that, teach them three things :
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2. Safety
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I can't teach common sense or how to ignore blind fear.
The refesher is on the CPL laws . Your right firearm owners shouldn't need a "Refresher" on safe handling but the group I was with did !
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The refesher is on the CPL laws . Your right firearm owners shouldn't need a "Refresher" on safe handling but the group I was with did !
It's a declaration, you self certify.

But there are those that want to put any obstruction they can with the good intention of protecting us from ourselves.
Some want the CPL class repeated every time.

There are changes afoot, be sure of that.
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Just bought a Blackhawk SERPA CQC for $37. Don't need the CQC, but in the event where I may lose my balance... Yea. Plus it was cheaper than the regular Sportster at accurate firearms.
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Keep in mind, the military doesn't see the ADs from the holster because they carry unchambered, and have a long, heavy, DA trigger.
The fukc are you talking about? That's Israel... NOT the U.S.

Round chambered, full mag, in the holster with safety on. That's how we carry in the Army.
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The fukc are you talking about? That's Israel... NOT the U.S.

Round chambered, full mag, in the holster with safety on. That's how we carry in the Army.
Ok.
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