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Old February 27th, 2014, 04:22 PM   #481
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Oh, and I fingered a Glock 42 today. Meh. Its another 380, but I would probably buy one of those before I bought any of the little tiny stinkers like an LCP. If you want a 380 and thought the LCP or those kind were TOO small, you'll probably like the Glock. I wouldn't call it a pocket Glock though.
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My finger always slid off onto the trigger guard.. Even when I started with a Fobus, I didn't have to do anything different with the Serpa with the lock. Its just the spot my finger always went to.
Exactly.

I don't have an issue with my finger slipping onto the trigger under "stress" either. In my experience... anyone who DID have that problem got themselves a whole lot of "constructive criticism" and retraining.

So if you're a panicky, poorly trained individual that operates like shit under stress and can't be bothered to commit proper pistol handling techniques to muscle memory... stay away from the serpa holsters. Stay away from any sort of firearm actually. You're a liability.
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Exactly.

I don't have an issue with my finger slipping onto the trigger under "stress" either. In my experience... anyone who DID have that problem got themselves a whole lot of "constructive criticism" and retraining.

So if you're a panicky, poorly trained individual that operates like shit under stress and can't be bothered to commit proper pistol handling techniques to muscle memory... stay away from the serpa holsters. Stay away from any sort of firearm actually. You're a liability.
Serpa is a gimmick. Prone to failure.

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Exactly.

I don't have an issue with my finger slipping onto the trigger under "stress" either. In my experience... anyone who DID have that problem got themselves a whole lot of "constructive criticism" and retraining.

So if you're a panicky, poorly trained individual that operates like shit under stress and can't be bothered to commit proper pistol handling techniques to muscle memory... stay away from the serpa holsters. Stay away from any sort of firearm actually. You're a liability.
Honestly who on here really needs that much retention ? All the guys around here just use Kydex holsters and have never had issues with retention ?
I somewhat agree on the training part but everyone must start somewhere and this type of holster obviously is not for beginners .
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Never failed me in Iraq. I DID see Beretta M9s, Colt M4s, Colt M16s, M14s, M240Bs, M249s, M2s and even the 120MM guns on tanks fail.... Never saw a serpa fail. Never. They were also in VERY widespread use.

I also prefer that level of retention. I never have to worry about the pistol falling out of the holster for any reason and the whole rig is extremely comfortable.

I also agree that they probably aren't the best holsters for beginners (or "experts") who have bad habits and are using striker fired pistols.
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Never failed me in Iraq. I DID see Beretta M9s, Colt M4s, Colt M16s, M14s, M240Bs, M249s, M2s and even the 120MM guns on tanks fail.... Never saw a serpa fail. Never. They were also in VERY widespread use.

I also prefer that level of retention. I never have to worry about the pistol falling out of the holster for any reason and the whole rig is extremely comfortable.

I also agree that they probably aren't the best holsters for beginners (or "experts") who have bad habits and are using striker fired pistols.
I've seen a couple of stuck gun videos. They seem to disappear so maybe they are staged. One with a 1911 the guys are pretty tenacious about getting it out.

If your out making contact with badguys where they are prone to grabs or wrestling, maybe. I used the Safariland retention (SSII?) that you had to twist it. I was real happy with it. Then again, I never had anybody try a serious grab.

For CCW I prefer leather, but I do have a POS Raven that works well enough, while scratching the shit out of my gun. I like IWB one hand reholster the raven affords.
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If your out making contact with badguys where they are prone to grabs or wrestling, maybe. I used the Safariland retention (SSII?) that you had to twist it. I was real happy with it. Then again, I never had anybody try a serious grab.

For CCW I prefer leather, but I do have a POS Raven that works well enough, while scratching the shit out of my gun. I like IWB one hand reholster the raven affords.
Thats what I was saying most if not all guys on here are CPL holders so they wouldn't be using this type of holster ? An open carry guy might need it but if he's letting people come up behind him that close well thats another discussion.

I run mostly Ravens or the same from another vender. My guns get drawn and reholstered so much any holster is going to show wear.
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I've seen a couple of stuck gun videos. They seem to disappear so maybe they are staged. One with a 1911 the guys are pretty tenacious about getting it out.

If your out making contact with badguys where they are prone to grabs or wrestling, maybe. I used the Safariland retention (SSII?) that you had to twist it. I was real happy with it. Then again, I never had anybody try a serious grab.

For CCW I prefer leather, but I do have a POS Raven that works well enough, while scratching the shit out of my gun. I like IWB one hand reholster the raven affords.
The serpa is by no means meant for concealed use. It's a duty holster. There are wayyyyyy too many options out there for concealing that are obviously far superior for that purpose.

For drop leg or open carry in general... the serpa is excellent at its job as long as you know wtf you're doing. Take every video you see on the internet with a grain of salt. I can reproduce a "retention issue" very easily by cranking down on the adjustment screws on my own holster and then acting like there's no way to fix it. It's absolutely ridiculous and if anyone out there is seriously wondering I would be more than happy to let them try out my rig for my M9. It's not rocket science.
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The serpa is by no means meant for concealed use. It's a duty holster. There are wayyyyyy too many options out there for concealing that are obviously far superior for that purpose.

For drop leg or open carry in general... the serpa is excellent at its job as long as you know wtf you're doing. Take every video you see on the internet with a grain of salt. I can reproduce a "retention issue" very easily by cranking down on the adjustment screws on my own holster and then acting like there's no way to fix it. It's absolutely ridiculous and if anyone out there is seriously wondering I would be more than happy to let them try out my rig for my M9. It's not rocket science.
I've never handled or used this holster . Looking at the picture above it looks like the latch is more inline with the frame than the trigger ? I ride my trigger finger high and when the gun clears the holster I can feel the nub from the slide stop on my 1911 or the take down lever on my glock. This is how I know my finger is somewhere other than the trigger area.
RO's here like to look through the trigger guard and see no skin.
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I've never handled or used this holster . Looking at the picture above it looks like the latch is more inline with the frame than the trigger ? I ride my trigger finger high and when the gun clears the holster I can feel the nub from the slide stop on my 1911 or the take down lever on my glock. This is how I know my finger is somewhere other than the trigger area.
RO's here like to look through the trigger guard and see no skin.
RO's won't have a problem if someone has the proper habits and training like yourself. A serpa holster isn't at fault if someone can't keep their booger hook off the trigger. It really is simple. I guess it's just one of those things that has to be dispelled through experience rather than relying on the opinions of mouth breathers who read something about another mouth breather shooting himself due to poor training and retardation on the interweb.
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For the hell of it, holster unloaded weapon and ask your friend, spouse or training bud to take it from you. Some say the best tactic is to push down and keep the gun in the holster.

But after a couple minutes rolling around you'll get the idea.
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For the hell of it, holster unloaded weapon and ask your friend, spouse or training bud to take it from you. Some say the best tactic is to push down and keep the gun in the holster.

But after a couple minutes rolling around you'll get the idea.
With the serpa you don't have to worry about it. It not only requires the button push that is in line with a natural draw but it also requires the correct geometry (which can only be achieved from the wearer's angle) to remove the pistol from the holster... which can also be countered in a tussle by a quick push down once the click of the release is heard and they have to start all over.

The serpa is actually an excellent holster for someone who knows wtf they're doing. Just because some jackass shot himself because he has absolutely horrendous training and poor trigger control isn't a reason to discount a PROVEN piece of equipment.
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With the serpa you don't have to worry about it. It not only requires the button push that is in line with a natural draw but it also requires the correct geometry (which can only be achieved from the wearer's angle) to remove the pistol from the holster... which can also be countered in a tussle by a quick push down once the click of the release is heard and they have to start all over.

The serpa is actually an excellent holster for someone who knows wtf they're doing. Just because some jackass shot himself because he has absolutely horrendous training and poor trigger control isn't a reason to discount a PROVEN piece of equipment.
I was refering to a non retention holster.
I understand the system, I've seen them in action. I just don't like it.

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I will be getting the serpa 2. Thanks for dragging this on longer than i anticipated. Lot of information.

Also, this is for a G21. Not trying to conceal it. Just want a good open carry holster.
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I will be getting the serpa 2. Thanks for dragging this on longer than i anticipated. Lot of information.

Also, this is for a G21. Not trying to conceal it. Just want a good open carry holster.
It really is a good choice but make damn sure you don't have a problem with putting your finger on the trigger before you're on target. Striker fired pistols don't have an added line of defense against stupidity.
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I will be getting the serpa 2. Thanks for dragging this on longer than i anticipated. Lot of information.

Also, this is for a G21. Not trying to conceal it. Just want a good open carry holster.
That's a lotta gun to conceal let us know your thoughts on the holster after you try it out. I have a G20 on layaway at work and will need a holster at some point.
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It really is a good choice but make damn sure you don't have a problem with putting your finger on the trigger before you're on target. Striker fired pistols don't have an added line of defense against stupidity.
That's why i like the Glock. Any problems with them and 99% of the time it's user error. If i was a dumbass I probably wouldn't have one I've tried these holsters out a few times. Just haven't made the commitment yet. My finger rests on the trigger guard with room to spare. I have big fucking hands




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That's a lotta gun to conceal let us know your thoughts on the holster after you try it out. I have a G20 on layaway at work and will need a holster at some point.
Will do. Every gun store i have been to, almost every employee is wearing a blackhawk retention holster. I ask them about it and they all love it. I guess i just trust you guys more
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So the SERPA is trash? No, it is not. I believe the SERPA does have a place. If you are in the back country on quads or horseback and want a holster to keep your gun from falling out – then the SERPA can fill that need. What it is not – is a defensive carry rig. If you are looking for a rig to use to carry your defensive handgun, then I highly discourage the choice of a SERPA. In that all I teach is defensive and tactical courses, I can not allow SERPAs. This is for the individual students safety as well as those around them
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