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Old January 22nd, 2014, 05:41 AM   #1
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My uncle passed away suddenly and they are asking for donations instead of flowers.
He was a ex Air Force Vet and liked hunting and guns.

Problem is they asked for the money to be donated to Wounded Warriors.
I think they just randomly picked it since he did not want a big funeral.

What are some of the pro gun military charites that are better then this charity?

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Disabled American Vets.
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Problem is they asked for the money to be donated to Wounded Warriors.
Why is it a problem? Just respect his wishes.
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So what's wrong with wwp? I'm
Somewhat offended by this. My close friend that I was in Afghanistan with lost his leg. Wwp project fully funded his prosthetic. And help cover expenses that the marine corp and va would not.
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x2. at least it's not Komen's boobie cancer scheme.
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So what's wrong with wwp? I'm
Somewhat offended by this. My close friend that I was in Afghanistan with lost his leg. Wwp project fully funded his prosthetic. And help cover expenses that the marine corp and va would not.
I'm not a fan of wwp either.
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x2. at least it's not Komen's boobie cancer scheme.
It came out a while ago (and they were sufficiently shamed and berated in the public eye) that they were ALMOST as bad as Komen's Boobie Cancer scheme. A huge chunk of the donations were going strictly to "administrative" costs which turned out to be the salaries and perks of the higher ups instead of the programs they were touting. All of that came to light when they took an anti-2nd Amendment stance when it came to supporting veteran shooting events and fundraisers. Come to find out it was all mainly the public relations department that was filled with gun grabbers that decided to take it upon themselves to issue those statements and make those decisions. Those decisions included canceling the as mentioned veteran's shooting events that were purely fundraisers and not accepting firearm or firearm related donations to be raffled off or auctioned as fundraisers. This severely damaged the majority of their sponsors and supporters. A HUGE chunk of the money they were bringing in was from a myriad of large gun companies.

To say it backfired horribly would be an understatement. I stopped keeping track of it all and just ignored the WWP but from the bits and pieces I have come across it appears they took care of the issues and adjusted themselves accordingly... at least in the pro-2a category. It still appears that the higher ups treat the WWP like their own personal bankroll and live lavishly off the money that is intended for veteran's programs like the above mentioned.
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Wwp 57% in programs, 38% in fundraising , 5 admin, anti gun.
Dav 93% in programs, 3.8% in fundraising, 3.1admin
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It came out a while ago (and they were sufficiently shamed and berated in the public eye) that they were ALMOST as bad as Komen's Boobie Cancer scheme. A huge chunk of the donations were going strictly to "administrative" costs which turned out to be the salaries and perks of the higher ups instead of the programs they were touting. All of that came to light when they took an anti-2nd Amendment stance when it came to supporting veteran shooting events and fundraisers. Come to find out it was all mainly the public relations department that was filled with gun grabbers that decided to take it upon themselves to issue those statements and make those decisions. Those decisions included canceling the as mentioned veteran's shooting events that were purely fundraisers and not accepting firearm or firearm related donations to be raffled off or auctioned as fundraisers. This severely damaged the majority of their sponsors and supporters. A HUGE chunk of the money they were bringing in was from a myriad of large gun companies.

To say it backfired horribly would be an understatement. I stopped keeping track of it all and just ignored the WWP but from the bits and pieces I have come across it appears they took care of the issues and adjusted themselves accordingly.

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I can't imagine something for veteran's would work very well being anti gun.

I can't say I know someone that was in the service that is anti gun.

In fact, I don't know anybody outside of work that would be considered anti gun. My in laws don't own any, but they don't hunt or shoot. They enjoy me sharing the spoils of my hunts and fishings with them, though.
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Can you post your source for this info?

I would just like too see when that rating was given to them. Part of the huge flap was that the "administrators" were using the "fundraising" money to fly themselves around the country/world first class and privately and also staying in the most ridiculous hotels in their most expensive rooms. Think IRS convention scandal type of stuff.

Once they factored all that in the admin costs were up in the 40-50% category.

I'd really like to see some updated numbers to see if they really have adjusted their behavior.
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http://www.charitynavigator.org/inde...1#.Ut_Ibcso4m8
I also believe it was suggested when the obituary was called in and not looked onto or thought about since they had other stuff to take care of.
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It came out a while ago (and they were sufficiently shamed and berated in the public eye) that they were ALMOST as bad as Komen's Boobie Cancer scheme. A huge chunk of the donations were going strictly to "administrative" costs which turned out to be the salaries and perks of the higher ups instead of the programs they were touting. All of that came to light when they took an anti-2nd Amendment stance when it came to supporting veteran shooting events and fundraisers. Come to find out it was all mainly the public relations department that was filled with gun grabbers that decided to take it upon themselves to issue those statements and make those decisions. Those decisions included canceling the as mentioned veteran's shooting events that were purely fundraisers and not accepting firearm or firearm related donations to be raffled off or auctioned as fundraisers. This severely damaged the majority of their sponsors and supporters. A HUGE chunk of the money they were bringing in was from a myriad of large gun companies.

To say it backfired horribly would be an understatement. I stopped keeping track of it all and just ignored the WWP but from the bits and pieces I have come across it appears they took care of the issues and adjusted themselves accordingly... at least in the pro-2a category. It still appears that the higher ups treat the WWP like their own personal bankroll and live lavishly off the money that is intended for veteran's programs like the above mentioned.

This and a bunch of other similar problems coming out of this charity. I will tell you their PR department did a great job mopping that mess up. It's hard to find any bad press about them now. They haven't changed a thing in how the operate, just how their information gets out and what information they are willing to share.
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To put it in perspective...

They brought in $154,958,901.

They spent $55,386,953 on their programs.

They spent $40,124,596 on their admin costs and fundraising.

The rest they kept in the bank.

In that grand total... they spent what? A third or so of their total budget on the programs that are supposed to help veterans?

Now look at a program that is held in much higher regard: Fisher House Foundation.

They are actually in the hole $17,000,000 because they spent $51,071,861 on their programs directly helping veterans and their families and only $1,765,624 on admin and fundraising and only brought in $35,407,745.

Smart way to do business? Not at all... but they aren't in it for the money. They spend almost every penny they have to do what they said they would. They do an amazing job of it too.

This is just ONE example. WWP spends more on their advertising, salaries and keeps more money in the bank not doing anything than Fisher House makes period. Yet Fisher House spent ALMOST as much as WWP did on their programs even if it meant going into debt.
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Ok I am no longer offended. I did not know all that about wwp. They did give my friend the ability to walk, which is awesome. But if you're going to be a greedy fukc and be anti gun then fukc off.

This is why I don't like donating money to charities. I'll stick to giving blood.
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http://www.4w2h.org/
Everything they Raise goes 100% back to wounded vets. Good group of guys
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Keep in mind that I didn't post all this to attack JeepInABox's family's choice. Their heart was in the right place and they made a quick decision given the circumstances and as a disabled veteran myself I want to offer my sincerest condolences and also my deepest thank you for thinking of veterans during an obviously difficult and painful time.

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I know most people don't know about wwp since it sounds like a noble charity, just looking for better options.
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