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Old January 18th, 2014, 01:19 PM   #21
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Sorry about my stupid question, but I'm new to quads. Are beadlocks necessary on 8" rims with 8 paddled haulers?
Not at all. Hence the I felt cool statement. I would recommend red label wheels though. I have gone through several sets of blue and black label Douglas wheels. Coming down sideways will blow a blue label out. Even with 8" wheels. Me and my friends would ride hard there. Not drag race. But find every jump and hit them hard. I hear people talk that they jump far. But we actually did. Have several pics of us doing 110' plus jumps out there. It was common to be hitting the rev limiter on my trx450 in fifth gear going up a dune. Then launching off. I blew out many wheels. Put on my beadlocks and didn't have a problem again. Then I quit racing and don't ride that hard anymore so I am back to red label wheels. Still bent a lip and got a flat this year. With the red labels.
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Old January 18th, 2014, 01:38 PM   #22
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I've only bent one in 8 years, and that was a 10x3 wheel with an 18" sls buff...I came down on a hunk of driftwood on the drag strip after a hard launch. But, I do try to keep at least 2 tires on the ground at all times, so I could see wanting a thicker wheel if you plan on airing it out.

I ride my duner hard, and that has b2b 22" haulers on 8" blue labels...and those still look great after 2 years at the dunes, and some time on the pea gravel strip at Bundy Hill. Those tires are around 70 RO, so there is a lot of sidewall...you would have to hit something damn hard to get to the wheel.
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Old January 21st, 2014, 07:30 AM   #23
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still on the original set of haulers (don't know paddle count) and gold douglas wheels from 1986 on my dads trx 250r. been the hot set up going on year 28 now. I have ridden quads with the newer molded style paddle tires and they just don't seem to get spinning and moving you forward as quick.
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Old January 21st, 2014, 08:59 AM   #24
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20x11x8 Haulers have not been made in a while (from what I can find)


20x10's (8 paddle)
21x12 (7 paddle)
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22x10 (7 paddle)
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Old January 21st, 2014, 09:11 AM   #25
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I would go with the 20's.
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Old January 21st, 2014, 10:20 AM   #26
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110/90r19 8 paddle >
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Old January 21st, 2014, 10:26 AM   #27
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I like the taller tires personally, but a 450 may not handle them as well as a 700. I've done back to back testing with 20" 8 paddle haulers and 22" 8 paddle haulers, and the 22's were quicker off the line and pulled harder mid-top. Being that the paddles are spaced further apart on the taller tire, they dont dig as bad and are better for hill climbs also.


Check on the roll out of the 21's vs 22's, depending on the tire carcass they use...the 21's are sometimes a lot bigger. A friend of mine ordered some new 21's from sand toyz last year, and they are taller snd quite a bit wider than my 22's (which are 70 RO)
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I like the taller tires personally, but a 450 may not handle them as well as a 700. I've done back to back testing with 20" 8 paddle haulers and 22" 8 paddle haulers, and the 22's were quicker off the line and pulled harder mid-top. Being that the paddles are spaced further apart on the taller tire, they dont dig as bad and are better for hill climbs also.


Check on the roll out of the 21's vs 22's, depending on the tire carcass they use...the 21's are sometimes a lot bigger. A friend of mine ordered some new 21's from sand toyz last year, and they are taller snd quite a bit wider than my 22's (which are 70 RO)
Not trying to be "that guy" but the published HP on a raptor 700 is 41HP. YFZ is 38, and the KTM (which is what these tires will be going on) is 49.. It struggles at the top end, so maybe going with the bigger tires would be a good choice.

Of course these are stock numbers, but I just don't want to buy tires twice.
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Old January 21st, 2014, 10:59 AM   #29
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I would get haulers for your quad and sand star type for the wife's as they make it easier to turn. with the haulers you have to kinda slide to turn well which isn't a problem as the straight line improvement is worth it.
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Old January 21st, 2014, 11:17 AM   #30
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It's not the hp as much as the torque and where the 700 makes power compared to the 450's that makes the difference in gearing and tires.
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It's not the hp as much as the torque and where the 700 makes power compared to the 450's that makes the difference in gearing and tires.
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Old January 21st, 2014, 11:32 AM   #32
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I always thought big paddles look dumb. If your not going out there to drag race keep a more stock size tire so it rides the same way at the dunes as it does in the trails. If you have a stretched out raptor and only go straight then get 22" tires. But if you like turning, a little jumping, and all around riding keep it the stock size. Any paddle you get will work. But remember the quads come with larger front tires than back for a reason. Weight transfer and handling, as well as gearing and keeping your engine in the power. So if you put goofy 22's on the back and kept the 22's on the front the weight would be off, gearing would be off. If your doing drags, bigger is better. All around duning, keep stock size. .02
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Old January 21st, 2014, 11:34 AM   #33
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Just had to dig back into one of my old threads on SLF to see what the difference in weight was between my old sandstars and haulers...

20" sandstars on 9" itp cast aluminum wheels vs 22" single buff 8 paddle haulers on 8" itp baja wheels...







Each hauler/wheel setup was 4.5 lbs lighter than the sandstar....9 lbs savings total, with a much wider and taller tire. That weight savings makes a HUGE difference in performance on the sand.
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Old January 21st, 2014, 11:48 AM   #34
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I always thought big paddles look dumb. If your not going out there to drag race keep a more stock size tire so it rides the same way at the dunes as it does in the trails. If you have a stretched out raptor and only go straight then get 22" tires. But if you like turning, a little jumping, and all around riding keep it the stock size. Any paddle you get will work. But remember the quads come with larger front tires than back for a reason. Weight transfer and handling, as well as gearing and keeping your engine in the power. So if you put goofy 22's on the back and kept the 22's on the front the weight would be off, gearing would be off. If your doing drags, bigger is better. All around duning, keep stock size. .02

Again, that's personal preference. On my drag raptor, I run 23.5" 12 paddle extremes on the rear and 18" triple buff fronts...both wheels and tires are as light as possible. On my duner/play raptor, I run 21" smooth buffs on the front, 22" 8 paddle haulers on the rear. That one isn't a stretched out dragger, it's built for bombing around the dunes...and occasionally jumped, although I'm a puss when it comes to big air.

Sand tires are a lot lighter than stock tires anyway, buffed ones at least...so the weight distribution is not the same as stock regardless. As far as the handling, it makes no difference from what I've seen...having a slightly larger tire in the rear doesn't make mine handle poorly, or any different than it does on the trail from what I have noticed. But my experience only applies to general riding, I've already said I don't do the big air thing....so that may be different.

With stock gearing, 22" rears have never caused my quad to bog or feel underpowered at Silver Lake, our hills aren't big enough to drag the motor down like the hills out west. Again, this is on a 700 though, which makes around 50 rwhp...a stock 450 may get lugged down a bit more.
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Old January 24th, 2014, 09:27 PM   #35
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Most of the tire sizes you need are in stock right here in Michigan, you just need to remember who to call. If we are out of the size you are looking for then most likely they will be in the big spring shipment in March. Scott is our new tire guru ask for him, 888-873-4047
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