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Old January 3rd, 2014, 09:28 AM   #21
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I believe there are people already offering efi live tuning for them....seems like i seen it on fleece diesel's sight.....i would assume deletes are a part of that. I know right from gm they have an "over boost" feature which allows like an extra 5psi when for a brief time for heavy acceleration such as highway merging
Yes, I believe the standard torque rating is 260 with 284 available in overboost for up to 10 seconds?
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http://fleeceperformance.com/efilive...-tune-742.html

No deletes just more power
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I've got a 2011 cruze eco with 51,xxx, that I bought new that gets 44+mpg highway @70+ mph with the a/c on. Daily average is around 37. The highway number is hand calc. The daily is the car computer.

The eco model is the 1.4l turbo w/6sp man trans,
I like the idea of the diesel but it needs better mpg to make it worth the extra $$
44+?

We've got a 2011 2LT 1.4 with the "auto." I'm not saying it should be getting 44+ but it averages about 29. Highway driven at 70+ MPH. Bought brand new.... I'm no expert but it doesn't seem legit that an eco gets 15 MPG better.


The car has been a great car. 60,000 miles. It's only required 5 oil changes and tire rotations. I wish a set of golf clubs fit in the trunk but that's not really a major issue.
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Old January 3rd, 2014, 11:17 AM   #24
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44+?

We've got a 2011 2LT 1.4 with the "auto." I'm not saying it should be getting 44+ but it averages about 29. Highway driven at 70+ MPH. Bought brand new.... I'm no expert but it doesn't seem legit that an eco gets 15 MPG better.


The car has been a great car. 60,000 miles. It's only required 5 oil changes and tire rotations. I wish a set of golf clubs fit in the trunk but that's not really a major issue.
I couldn't believe it either, I've been to Florida once and St. Louis 3x all averaging over 44. As far as the Auto trans, I wouldn't have bought it if it was only offered in the auto, I hate how the GM auto's shift. Take the net out of the trunk and you can fit clubs in it, I've taken mine with me on all the trips I took.
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I couldn't believe it either, I've been to Florida once and St. Louis 3x all averaging over 44. As far as the Auto trans, I wouldn't have bought it if it was only offered in the auto, I hate how the GM auto's shift. Take the net out of the trunk and you can fit clubs in it, I've taken mine with me on all the trips I took.
She won't drive a manual. How do you know I have a net in there?! It didn't come with one, I had to buy it aftermarket and install! I've tried without the net, I can get them in there it's just easier to throw them on the back seat and I don't drive it enough for it to actually bother me that much.
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Have any of you driven the diesel and turbo gassers back to back? What are your thoughts on power delivery?
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She won't drive a manual. How do you know I have a net in there?! It didn't come with one, I had to buy it aftermarket and install! I've tried without the net, I can get them in there it's just easier to throw them on the back seat and I don't drive it enough for it to actually bother me that much.
The rear seats don't drop flat? I thought they did, but maybe it's an option.
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Old January 3rd, 2014, 12:36 PM   #28
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The rear seats don't drop flat? I thought they did, but maybe it's an option.
Maybe. I know mine do, so it must be standard on a diesel?

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Have any of you driven the diesel and turbo gassers back to back? What are your thoughts on power delivery?
Yes, I've driven both....

The diesel is faster 0-60 and has way more mid range power with better fuel economy.
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Yes, I've driven both....

The diesel is faster 0-60 and has way more mid range power with better fuel economy.
How do you figure? A quick google search brings this....

1.4 Turbo cruze 0-60 times of 8.0-9.9 seconds.

Diesel Cruze 0-60 time 8.4-9.4 seconds
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How do you figure? A quick google search brings this....

1.4 Turbo cruze 0-60 times of 8.0-9.9 seconds.

Diesel Cruze 0-60 time 8.4-9.4 seconds
See links below. C/D rates the gasser at 8.9 seconds and the diesel at 8.0 seconds. Aside from that, as stated, I drove both and can tell the diesel is faster. Especially in the midrange

Gas - http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ad-test-review

Diesel - http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...e-specs-page-4
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I provided a range as I saw multiple different results. The point being if it is faster it is not faster by much, and could even be slower.
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Alright. I'm stating my experience, so take it with a grain of salt I suppose.
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Alright. I'm stating my experience, so take it with a grain of salt I suppose.
I have found that diesel's often feel faster, when they really aren't. I am not sure why they feel that way.
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I have found that diesel's often feel faster, when they really aren't. I am not sure why they feel that way.
Low end torque. You feel more of a pull when first accelerating, compared to an engine that needs to rev up to get the car moving.

My '13 300S V6 0-60 time is 6-6.5 seconds, yet doesn't feel like it because the engine has no low end grunt.
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I have found that diesel's often feel faster, when they really aren't. I am not sure why they feel that way.
Torque I would assume. They pull hard innitily and through te midrange then poop out on the top end. But by the time they're running out of steam they shift and you're back in the peak torque curve again. That's my guess. The power is nice and flat so it always "feels" fast.
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0-60 is one thing, Those are standing starts, rowing through the gears redline to redline. Horsepower is more of the deciding factor.

real world, the diesels almost always feel better, because in most situations outside of a highway, they've always got more torque on tap. So if you are at 2500-3000 rpm ro so and roll into the throttle, they go, rather than wait for a downshift, etc. Or, in a busy city, you don't want to be at 6000rpm all the time. The diesels do so much better at a sane rpm.

If you have actual experience driving them, any of these small diesels feel much different then the gassers.
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If you have actual experience driving them, any of these small diesels feel much different then the gassers.
Yeah, we already established that.
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The rear seats don't drop flat? I thought they did, but maybe it's an option.
They do. But you have to slide the front seats forward to fold the back seat down. That's a lot of work for a set of clubs. You can fit a mountain bike in there with the seat down.

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I would agree the diesel probably feels quicker because of the torque, but the small turbo on the gasser kicks in about 1500ish so you don't really ride them to hard in the city.

I agree I'd like te see them side by side.

I'll say for a 4 cyl. They're pretty impressive, and they handle great too.
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