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Old December 22nd, 2013, 09:30 AM   #1
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Default Wheeling on snowmobile trails

So I've done some looking around and haven't been able to find an answer to my question: Is it illegal to drive a 4x4 down snowmobile trails? I've done it before but am just wondering if anyone could give me a ticket for it?
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Old December 22nd, 2013, 09:44 AM   #2
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Is this a serious question?
Because most snowmobile trials have signs that say-No wheeled vehicles.
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Old December 22nd, 2013, 10:23 AM   #3
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There was a change to the law last year that now allows orv atv use on snowmobile trails. It was meant for use during non snow months but was written wrong. U can find it on mi.gov under dnr section. Either way it's not cool to wreck trails while there is snow
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Old December 22nd, 2013, 10:52 AM   #4
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To 4x4 on snow machine trails - N O

1) MI law still applies: lower peninsula trails are open ONLY if explicitly posted as such (i.e. ORV route / ORV scramble area) and upper peninsula is open unless posted closed. Federal land has it's own confusion, so consult motor vehicle use documents at applicable NFS region office

2) Many snow machine trails are on private land and access is only granted during the winter on the specified path.

I'm a pretty savvy and aware Jeeper/ATVer and have seen or heard of nothing from the DNR allowing ORV use on snow machine trails. The changes last year raised ORV permit costs (PA 75), and clarified road shoulder use and processes (PA 117, 118),and cleaned up a few loose ends - including elimination of the "permit for over x people/vehicles" rule (PA 119).

Unless you're on a now machine with a current permit, snow machine trails are off-limits.

Like many around here, I'm pretty passionate about correcting misinformation of this type. Every violation - intentional or inadvertant - hurts the sport and limits our access.
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Alright, haha guess not
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There was a change to the law last year that now allows orv atv use on snowmobile trails. It was meant for use during non snow months but was written wrong. U can find it on mi.gov under dnr section. Either way it's not cool to wreck trails while there is snow
No there wasn't, the majority of snowmobile trails are on private property and they are leased from the property owner. Snowmobile trails are closed to all traffic except snowmobile from dec 1 to April 1st. The only exception is about 330miles of shared trails that are part of an ORV route
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Ok ride yours over. Its December so that means its sled season. Oh wait no snow!! So its completely useless. Yeah ... I went there!
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No there wasn't, the majority of snowmobile trails are on private property and they are leased from the property owner. Snowmobile trails are closed to all traffic except snowmobile from dec 1 to April 1st. The only exception is about 330miles of shared trails that are part of an ORV route
+ trails that are on forest roads. If you have a SOS licensed vehicle you can drive on them all year round.
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+ trails that are on forest roads. If you have a SOS licensed vehicle you can drive on them all year round.
Trails on Forest roads, at least through federal forest roads are closed to wheeled traffic during the sled season
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I've got snow but no sled.
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Trails on Forest roads, at least through federal forest roads are closed to wheeled traffic during the sled season
Forest roads on state land are open year-round, so if the snowmobile trail runs on state forest road then technically not illegal.

The dual use trails are a sore spot with the snowmobile folks, the multi-season use and shared expenses makes sense right up until the snow flies. Although there is no prohibition against using them after the grooming season has started, be prepared for unhappy snowmobilers if you encounter them on the trail. Personally I avoid them in the snow when I can, but that's just me. And sometimes it is difficult to avoid them, there is one that runs E-W through the St Helen MSA for example.
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Forest roads on state land are open year-round, so if the snowmobile trail runs on state forest road then technically not illegal.
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Is it legal to poop on snowmobile trails? I've done it before and was just wondering.
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Forest roads on state land are open year-round, so if the snowmobile trail runs on state forest road then technically not illegal.

The dual use trails are a sore spot with the snowmobile folks, the multi-season use and shared expenses makes sense right up until the snow flies. Although there is no prohibition against using them after the grooming season has started, be prepared for unhappy snowmobilers if you encounter them on the trail. Personally I avoid them in the snow when I can, but that's just me. And sometimes it is difficult to avoid them, there is one that runs E-W through the St Helen MSA for example.
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if its a groomed trail dont go there. we pay to groom them.
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I have more snow, still no sled.
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if its a groomed trail dont go there. we pay to groom them.
I love you Joe, but no. If its a trail im legal to be on then I dont really care if its groomed. I pay for the use of the trail too. Frankly, its attitude like this that makes me almost want to run up and down them
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I lost my respect for the groomed trails and sledders a few years ago when it was reported to the DNR by a groomer driver that I was "tearing up" a groomed trail while leading a night run for Snofari. We literally crossed a groomed trail without spinning a tire. We were a few 100 feet into the woods airing down and a groomer stopped and watched us. Then a complaint went to SoFo about us from the DNR.

I replied that I wanted to meet with the DNR and the groomer driver and I was going to bring along a police officer that I happened to have on my run. Ironically we could never get the meeting to happen, it just faded away.

I agree with OZ, if I'm legal on the trail, I'm going to enjoy my day in the woods.
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