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Old December 20th, 2013, 06:21 AM   #81
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I do still agree that what he said was harmless and it's a stupid reason to get fired. I'm just sick of all the crap on Facebook.
Reality TV isn't reality. The things the do on the show are scripted. These people have PR handlers.
My company has a social media policy which means that if they perceive anything I say online as potentially damaging to them regardless of whether it's work related I can be terminated. This company exercised it's rights. If you disagree with a company hit them in the pocket book. Complaining about them gives them publicity.
With the PR handlers these people have I'm surprised thus happened.
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Old December 20th, 2013, 06:58 AM   #82
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Based on what you're saying the rest of the cast should quit. I hope they do.
I hope so too. proves a point and a message.

Plus they are getting too many staged ordeals.
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Old December 20th, 2013, 07:37 AM   #83
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Staged? You don't say! NO SHIT! Every reality show out there is staged. When the guys from American Pickers knock on a door, the person answering doesn't even look at the camera. Really? If two guys knock on my door and there is a camera crew standing behind them, I'm pretty sure I'm going to be saying WTF are these guys doing. How come only the stars on Storage Wars win the bids? How come no one else is standing at the counter on Pawn Stars? How is it that the survivor people can be starving to death when there is a camera crew right there with water and granola in their backpacks? If you think it's supposed to be "real", you guys are more nave than I thought.

It's a TV show, plain and simple. Handlers? Kerry, I have respectfully say that these guys have higher end handlers than you do and everyone knew the questions that were going to be asked by GQ. Somebody was looking for a "gotcha" on Phil and they got what they were looking for. Otherwise, they would have never printed it in the first place. What they didn't expect is the national support Phil would get.

Dave, do you say you hope they quit because you don't like them or you support them?
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Old December 20th, 2013, 07:43 AM   #84
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I can't believe anyone even gives a shit about this.
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Old December 20th, 2013, 07:51 AM   #85
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Staged? You don't say! NO SHIT! Every reality show out there is staged. When the guys from American Pickers knock on a door, the person answering doesn't even look at the camera. Really? If two guys knock on my door and there is a camera crew standing behind them, I'm pretty sure I'm going to be saying WTF are these guys doing. How come only the stars on Storage Wars win the bids? How come no one else is standing at the counter on Pawn Stars? How is it that the survivor people can be starving to death when there is a camera crew right there with water and granola in their backpacks? If you think it's supposed to be "real", you guys are more nave than I thought.

It's a TV show, plain and simple. Handlers? Kerry, I have respectfully say that these guys have higher end handlers than you do and everyone knew the questions that were going to be asked by GQ. Somebody was looking for a "gotcha" on Phil and they got what they were looking for. Otherwise, they would have never printed it in the first place. What they didn't expect is the national support Phil would get.

Dave, do you say you hope they quit because you don't like them or you support them?
just noting that DD is claimed to be unscripted.

I can understand with american pickers, you want to screen the person at the door. I don't want to watch some naked old cat lady answer the door. They probably ask if they want to be on the show. I think they over pay for a lot of items myself, and don't think they are worth what they say they are worth.

Pawn stars is definitely scripted. You run out of stuff.

Storage wars only shows a couple lockers, usually there are more being auctioned than the ones they win.


What I'm curious about is if they plant things in the lockers, as I'm sure they bring things in to pawn to keep interest, and could do the same with american pickers.


I just watch those if there isn't anything good on and I feel lazy enough to just sit on the couch.
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Old December 20th, 2013, 07:56 AM   #86
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Jim,
As a family and a successful business I like them.
As a reality show, as in any reality show I do not support them.
If DD is all righteous they should quit based on their moral values and family support.
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Old December 20th, 2013, 07:59 AM   #87
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I doubt it's a publicity stunt based on their official statement. (partially quoted below) You and Sova are both right that his 1st amendment rights have not been legally violated. I'm not even sure that his civil rights have been violated as some have suggested. But his moral rights have certainly been violated. It's not been any secret what his personal beliefs are and they are apparent in most of the shows. The family ends with prayer at the end of each show. Personally, I think this is part of the appeal to the majority of Americans, it's a show that emphasizes family and faith.

For those of you that don't admire these traits, it's no surprise to me that you don't care about what has happened. For me, as a person who values both of those things, I think it's an atrocity that a person would get fired for expressing some core values that I personally think was the backbone of what built this country to be as strong as it was for so long. Our country is losing those values and we all know that our country is going to shit. I don't think it's a coincidence. If our country would stick together as strongly as the Robertsons do, just maybe we wouldn't be as fucked up as we are.

A&E has had the most success with this show of any reality show in TV history. To fire someone because they express an opinion that is pretty straight forward because they want to bow to a small group of miscreants, well maybe they're going to find out what the majority of our country really thinks. I hope they tell A&E to pound sand and move their show to a station that admires what they stand for.

Partial statement by the family leading me to believe it's not a stunt:

We have had a successful working relationship with A&E but, as a family, we cannot imagine the show going forward without our patriarch at the helm. We are in discussions with A&E to see what that means for the future of Duck Dynasty.
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I can't believe anyone even gives a shit about this.
I don't watch DD, and don't care if it's on or off the air, the only reason I care anything about what happened is pretty much the same reasons WH is stating in his post quoted here, and stated in the USA today article I linked. PC has really gone too far, it is one of the many things ruining our country.
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Old December 20th, 2013, 08:00 AM   #88
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I can't believe anyone even gives a shit about this.
Agreed. Who would think, in a country founded on freedom of religion, that people would give a shit when some bigot television network fires someone for quoting religious scripture.
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Old December 20th, 2013, 08:07 AM   #89
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just noting that DD is claimed to be unscripted.

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it may not be fully scripted like a movie of sitcom, but there no way I believe they are staging things, the 1 show I saw was very staged, but the lines and reactions of some may have been totally ad lib.
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Old December 20th, 2013, 08:09 AM   #90
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it may not be fully scripted like a movie of sitcom, but there no way I believe they are staging things, the 1 show I saw was very staged, but the lines and reactions of some may have been totally ad lib.
oh I realize it's ad libbed, but the staging of it makes it obnoxious.

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Old December 20th, 2013, 08:11 AM   #91
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Agreed. Who would think, in a country founded on freedom of religion, that people would give a shit when some bigot television network fires someone for quoting religious scripture.


Companies fire people everyday for saying things that the organization may not agree with.

This is a "reality" TV "star" who said he didn't like the gay lifestyle. He knew what he was saying, and he knew it may upset his employer.

Football players, actors, professional atheletes, politicians, etc. Get in trouble for saying things that do not go along with their "employers" thoughts everyday.

Last I checked freedom of religion, freedom of speech and the right to bear arms and every other consititutional right doesn't guarantee you employment.

You have the right to whatever religious beliefs you want. But it doesn't mean your employer has to agree with them when you go spouting them off publicly.

You have the right to say whatever you want, but if it is not in agreement with your employer they have the right to release you from the organization.

I'd be more than willing to bet somewhere in his contract with A&E there were certain subjects and topis he was likely not supposed to discuss publicly based on the "views" of the "bigoted Television Network" he represented.


Again, I don't understand why anyone cares.

I agree with his views on the gay lifestyle, but I'm pretty sure if you made a public address anouncement as a representative of your employer that stated the same as he did you'd likely have a visit with HR too wouldn't you?

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Old December 20th, 2013, 08:18 AM   #92
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Companies fire people everyday for saying things that the organization may not agree with.

This is a "reality" TV "star" who said he didn't like the gay lifestyle. He knew what he was saying, and he knew it may upset his employer.

Football players, actors, professional atheletes, politicians, etc. Get in trouble for saying things that do not go along with their "employers" thoughts everyday.

Last I checked freedom of religion, freedom of speech and the right to bear arms and every other consititutional right doesn't guarantee you employment.

You have the right to whatever religious beliefs you want. But it doesn't mean your employer has to agree with them when you go spouting them off publicly.

You have the right to say whatever you want, but if it is not in agreement with your employer they have the right to release you from the organization.

Again, I don't understand why anyone cares.
This is not a legal issue. This is a social issue. The response you are seeing is not "take them to court" it is "I will choose to not watch your bigot TV channel because this is how you treat people". When someone is persecuted for expressing a religious position in America, people give a shit.
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Old December 20th, 2013, 08:21 AM   #93
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This is not a legal issue. This is a social issue. The response you are seeing is not "take them to court" it is "I will choose to not watch your bigot TV channel because this is how you treat people". When someone is persecuted for expressing a religious position in America, people give a shit.
Well I don't watch the network, and I don't watch the show, and I don't give a shit.

Social or Legal issue it doesn't matter, AE is an employer, they did not agree with something thier employee said. Get over it, he knew what he was doing.
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For me, it's the double standard that exists (at least in my mind) that anytime someone with liberal views speaks out against someone with conservative views, it's ok. Visa versa is not tolerated.

Yes, this is a social issue and not legal issue.
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This is not a legal issue. This is a social issue. The response you are seeing is not "take them to court" it is "I will choose to not watch your bigot TV channel because this is how you treat people". When someone is persecuted for expressing a religious position in America, people give a shit.
You got it.

I watch the show occasionally but I can't say I go out of the way to watch it. If the show gets cancelled, ho-hum.

I think the irony is this is the biggest hit for A&E and they choose to jeopardize it for a stupid reason and my guess is they never expected the backlash....
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For me, it's the double standard that exists (at least in my mind) that anytime someone with liberal views speaks out against someone with conservative views, it's ok. Visa versa is not tolerated.

Yes, this is a social issue and not legal issue.
I agree with you here. The vocal minority however will always win that battle.
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This is already backfiring worse than the attempted boycott of Chik-Fil-A. Good job A&E. You tanked the only show on your network that anyone actually watched.
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I agree with you here. The vocal minority however will always win that battle.
I'm hoping this time is different. They are pulling a lot of comments from main stream middle class America that never gets involved in this stuff.
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Old December 20th, 2013, 09:04 AM   #100
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This is already backfiring worse than the attempted boycott of Chik-Fil-A. Good job A&E. You tanked the only show on your network that anyone actually watched.
I agree with this.
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