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Old December 9th, 2013, 07:00 PM   #1
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A couple months back, My kid had a shop put a new clutch into his car (about 3,000 miles ago.) He thankfully didnt want to wait for me to help him do it.
Said kid comes home yesterday complaining about a nasty noise.
The noise he describes sounds to me either throw out bearing or input shaft bearing.
I went out and started it, Noise went away with clutch pressure, so I'm thinking Input shaft bearing.

He called the place that did the work, they said they could come pick it up and look into it. Flatbed showed up and took the car this morning.

They called and said all the flywheel bolts backed out.
Southbend clutch recommended new bolts. The shop is going to pick up the cost of bolts and fluids, but are charging $350 labor to drop the trans. and $50 for the tow.

His paper work from the install has a 12 month 12000 mile warranty on parts and labor. (Son supplied the clutch and throwout bearing)


My question is................. Would this not fall under Labor? They were the last ones to touch the bolts.
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Yes I would say so. If either of the parts he supplied failed then no. But seeing as how they didn't use lock tight or properly torque the bolts it would be their fault completely.
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Did they replace or pull the flywheel?

If so it is on them. Period.
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Unless the customer declined to buy new bolts at time of install, It would be covered 100% at my shop. Sounds like they were not torqued properly.
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Sounds like they were not torqued properly.
You must be the genius at your shop.
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Old December 9th, 2013, 08:21 PM   #7
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But did they touch the fly wheel. If not then no it would not be covered
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But did they touch the fly wheel. If not then no it would not be covered
New clutch means at the very least a resurfaced fly wheel and pilot bearing. Anything less and it's a hack job.
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A couple months back, My kid had a shop put a new clutch into his car (about 3,000 miles ago.) He thankfully didnt want to wait for me to help him do it.
Said kid comes home yesterday complaining about a nasty noise.
The noise he describes sounds to me either throw out bearing or input shaft bearing.
I went out and started it, Noise went away with clutch pressure, so I'm thinking Input shaft bearing.

He called the place that did the work, they said they could come pick it up and look into it. Flatbed showed up and took the car this morning.

They called and said all the flywheel bolts backed out.
Southbend clutch recommended new bolts. The shop is going to pick up the cost of bolts and fluids, but are charging $350 labor to drop the trans. and $50 for the tow.

His paper work from the install has a 12 month 12000 mile warranty on parts and labor. (Son supplied the clutch and throwout bearing)


My question is................. Would this not fall under Labor? They were the last ones to touch the bolts.
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I know that but doesn't mean it was done
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I know that but doesn't mean it was done
It was, "All the flywheel bolts backed out"
I am actually surprised the shop admitted to this and still won't cover the cost of the labor.
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When u bring your own parts, shops get pissed. We make money on parts.
Just outta curiosity, will op name the shop?
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It was, "All the flywheel bolts backed out"
I am actually surprised the shop admitted to this and still won't cover the cost of the labor.
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To me, if they accept any responsibility, they have it all.
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Did they resurface the flywheel? That is the only reason I can think of to touch the flywheel bolts.
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Some manufactures prefer the flywheel not be resurfaced. I recall reading that some jeep flywheels have a concave to them and Chrysler suggests against resurfacing.
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If they pulled the flywheel, they are responsible for the bolts. Period.
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The clutch is a Southbend Stage 3 which included a new flywheel.

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Well then, I'd say they needs to warranty their work.
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