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Old August 10th, 2014, 05:47 PM   #101
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It'll be a shame to put the body on that frame.
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Old August 16th, 2014, 06:26 PM   #102
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Thanks Jeff...I think.



Today, I scuffed and finish-coated (minus knuckles) my Dana 60 front axle. Damned pretty, I must say. I also painted the new U-bolts for the rear axle (no pic).




I got the 2WD spring seats removed, as well. 12 factory rivets = LOTS of grinding and hammering with a punch. I did find that I'll have to get new 4WD spring seats. The ones I bought previously were for a 2005 frame, and I realized that they are almost compatible with a 2008 frame, but the front lower edge of the 2008 frame starts dipping down at the front of the spring seat, while the 2005 frame is straight. Since there's a straight, horizontal lower flange on the spring seat, it doesn't seat up to the bottom of the 2008 frame correctly. I'll head back to the dealership on Monday to get it figured out.

Tomorrow, I'll prime & paint the areas that I sanded down today.



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Old August 16th, 2014, 06:28 PM   #103
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Looking good Craig. Loving this build
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Old August 16th, 2014, 07:03 PM   #104
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Thanks Vincent.
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Old August 24th, 2014, 02:18 PM   #105
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I picked up my new (2008) front spring seats and track bar mount this week. I also made some more painting progress. Beauty is in the details, IMHO.





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Old September 20th, 2014, 06:25 PM   #106
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Well, I committed to cutting 3 of the 4 body mounts off the 2008 F350 frame, and will grind them flush later. No fancy-schmancy plasma cutter here; old-school Milwaukee Sawzall & grinder FTW. The e-brake cable runs through the 4th mount, which will be partially removed later (a hanger for the cable will be retained).




I'm repainting the frame one section at a time. Once it cures, I'll reattach the spring seats, steering stabilizer & track bar bracket, then apply a final top-coat. One step closer to the front axle install.






Break time included one of these tasty Bell's Oberons (last one in the fridge, and probably the last for the season). Mmmmmm!




My planned "basic scuff & paint" turned more extensive when I found some surface rust under the powdercoat on the NEW Ford spring seats. The mounting holes were also opened up slightly to fit seven (7) 10.9-strength M12 bolts, which replace the factory rivets.



...and after the first coat of Eastwood Extreme Chassis Black (final top-coat to come after install on the frame). One down, one to go.



I also cleaned 25+ years worth of spare parts, misc. bolts/hardware, rust, etc. out of the FC170 today, then hit it with the shop vac (preparing to remove the cab). After talking with a buddy (who's WAY more experienced than me!), I figured out how I'm going to lift the cab off the frame, and also how I'm going to mock up the new body mounts on the F350 frame.

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Old September 21st, 2014, 12:54 PM   #107
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Lookin good Craig, this things gonna be sweet!
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Old September 21st, 2014, 01:21 PM   #108
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Still say it's going to be a shame putting a body on this.
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Old October 4th, 2014, 07:36 PM   #109
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Still say it's going to be a shame putting a body on this.
Thanks guys.


I got a few of the OEM F350 brackets reinstalled (one spring seat, track bar bracket & steering stabilizer bracket). I used M12 (12mm) metric bolts for the spring seats to replace the factory rivets.




After seeing pics on Jeep.com, I stopped at the dealership today to check out a set of 2015 Cherokee leather seats. I need a set of relatively narrow seats that'll fit between the FC engine "hump" and the door. The size is right, but they look better online than in-person. Notice the loose fit of the leather (both vehicles I checked out looked loose, but in different spots). I'll keep looking for narrow-ish seat options.




I have been doing a lot of steering research (it'll be completely custom on the FC), and think I will search for a Toyota FJ60 (Land Cruiser) box. I also considered a RHD Jeep JD steering box (like Jeep did with the Mighty FC), but a spendy new steering box with an inherently weak sector shaft design doesn't appeal as much to me as the seemingly proven FJ60 box.

I have also been taking a TON of measurements, and researching the soon-to-be front frame reconstruction.




I looked at a GMC W3500 (same as Isuzu NPR) today. No engine, and unfortunately still too spendy for me. However, I'm going to look for parts (or an inexpensive, non-running parts truck) from which I can harvest the slick tilt cab mechanism. The Jeep FCs didn't have a tilt feature from the factory, and the NPR set-up is nice & simple (and completely mechanical, not hydraulic).

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For your seats, find some junkyard ones that are the right fit but needs reupholstering, but have the leather made to your preference at a place like supreme sunroofs that does http://katzkin.com/

You can match the color or colors of the new Jeep on the seats, and have them stitch Jeep on them also. All of that for the same price or less than new ones.
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For your seats, find some junkyard ones that are the right fit but needs reupholstering, but have the leather made to your preference at a place like supreme sunroofs that does http://katzkin.com/

You can match the color or colors of the new Jeep on the seats, and have them stitch Jeep on them also. All of that for the same price or less than new ones.
Thanks Dave. I'll research that option, for sure. Thanks for the tip.


If your average Subway employee can call his or herself a "Sandwich Artist", I'm going to dub myself a "Grinder/Sander Artist". One old body mount removed...only three to go (~3 hours worth of grinding with this one.) This set of body mounts would have interfered with the FC170 lower rear cab corners. Even if it hadn't, I still would have removed the unnecessary mounts.


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Old October 10th, 2014, 08:05 PM   #112
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Love the attention to detail ... Can't wait to see it done..
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Old October 13th, 2014, 06:08 PM   #113
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Craig I'm trying to work out a deal with my old job for a gmc box truck that I want the box off of. If I get it before u figure something else out I'll let u no n we can work something out.
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Old October 14th, 2014, 09:18 AM   #114
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We put 73 (IIRC) Monte Carlo Seats in ours. Tight fit for sure but comfy seats. Side bolsters rub just a little on the engine cover when you open/close it. Can still fold the seats forward as well to get to the battery or storage behind the seat which is nice.

Although with the tilt cab I'm assuming you are moving the battery to a frame mount so getting behind the seats may not be as big of an issue/ need.
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Love the attention to detail ... Can't wait to see it done..
Thanks, littletrucker.

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Craig I'm trying to work out a deal with my old job for a gmc box truck that I want the box off of. If I get it before u figure something else out I'll let u no n we can work something out.
Thanks Vincent. I think I'm all set, but definitely keep me posted, as I may still be interested in extra parts.

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We put 73 (IIRC) Monte Carlo Seats in ours. Tight fit for sure but comfy seats. Side bolsters rub just a little on the engine cover when you open/close it. Can still fold the seats forward as well to get to the battery or storage behind the seat which is nice.

Although with the tilt cab I'm assuming you are moving the battery to a frame mount so getting behind the seats may not be as big of an issue/ need.
Thanks, gladiator18. Yes, I'll most likely mount the battery on the frame. Regarding the seats, I'll definitely look for something from this millennium , just because it's likely they'll be in better condition.



Well, after much consideration, I have decided not to use my low-mileage (94K miles) '99 XJ 4.0L/AW4/NP-231 for my build. If anyone is interested in the 94K-mile '99 Cherokee (XJ) driveline, I have listed for sale locally. I'd prefer to sell it complete, but will entertain breaking it up if it's financially beneficial to do so.

Instead, I will be looking for a Cummins 4BT diesel. The transmission is to be determined, but will likely be an automatic (still researching; potentially a Dodge 47RH). Transfer case will be dictated by the transmission selection.

I'm leaning in this direction for several reasons:
  1. Power, plain & simple. I have been very pleased with the power of 4.0L engines in other Jeeps (even with my old '05 LJ on 1-tons & 37" tires), but this truck is going to be substantially heavier. I talked with a mechanic friend & Jeep enthusiast who just installed a 4BT in an older Ford 1/2-ton truck, and he mentioned I'd likely "have my foot in the gas all the time, and get horrible mileage". Fair enough.
  2. Physical size. The 4BT is small-ish, and a popular swap into Jeeps for this reason, as many of you know. Given the finite amount of space under the FC170 cab, it's definitely a consideration.
  3. Fuel economy. My buddy mentioned above gets 23-25 mpg consistently in his 4BT-equipped Ford truck (using the stock 5-speed manual trans). With the stock 40-gallon 2008 F350 fuel tank, I'll have a 800+ mile range on a single tank of fuel.
  4. I'm a "prepper" who - up to this point - has just been assembling a Bug-Out Bag (see below). In addition to basic utility with some crazy-cool retro style, this truck will also serve as a Bug-Out Vehicle. The 4BT doesn't use a computer, and only requires a single (solonoid) wire to run. This, along with a non-computer-controlled transmission, will be added insurance against the possibility of an EMP (electromagnetic pulse).
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Old October 18th, 2014, 07:37 AM   #116
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The Zombies are on the way!!!!
Better hurry.
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Maybe you should build a rotisserie for the cab so you can rotate it 360*. possible mounting points might be the door jams. (Maybe a couple of old engine stands would help) I need to make one for my Wagon body. Google to see what others guys fab'd up.
The FC progress looks great.

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Maybe you should build a rotisserie for the cab so you can rotate it 360*. possible mounting points might be the door jams. (Maybe a couple of old engine stands would help) I need to make one for my Wagon body. Google to see what others guys fab'd up.
The FC progress looks great.
Thanks Kim. I decided I'll keep the cab on the stock frame for now, and address some of the floor/sheet metal repair while it's still square on the frame. The rotisserie idea is a good one, and I'll keep it in mind.



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Today was a busy day chasing after parts. We towed this 2003 GMC W3500 (Isuzu NPR) home today, minus the engine/trans & box, so I can harvest the tilt cab parts/brackets/hardware. Everything else will be sold.


I also found a set of pretty inexpensive 8x200mm steel wheels with tires from a 2007 F350 dually (originally an ambulance). One wheel is crustier than the other 5...likely a replacement. I'll look for a single steel wheel/tire to replace it eventually.
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