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Old December 1st, 2013, 09:46 PM   #1
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Default Jeep FC170 "Patina Rod"

Looking for FC150/FC170 parts? I have a lot of extras (pics HERE). PM me if you're interested.

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First, all y'all with comments about parting it out shall shut your respective pie holes (for now ).

This will be a fairly low-budget build utilizing late-model drivetrain parts (many I already have), with an attempt to maintain the character/patina of the FC cab. I posted
this thread in The Pub
, but now I'm committed...or perhaps I should be. Here's the plan (updated below as parts/plans have changed):
  • Repair the floors in the cab and neutralize exterior rust as much as possible. Prep/paint the interior nicely, but retain the existing exterior paint scheme/patina, rust, etc.
  • Mount cab on a 2008 F350 Cab and Chassis frame (see below) painted nicely in satin black.
  • Install a sub-100K mile Jeep 4.0L/AW4/NP-231 (I already own this driveline, and don't have the budget to consider other options, nor do I want to. It runs GREAT!). Investment in this particular driveline? ZERO (actually, it's negative after parting the Jeep, and using many of the parts on Mira's
    XJ project
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  • Build custom bumpers.
  • Build a functional flatbed on the back (probably a steel frame with wood planks). The original bed is shot, so repair is not an option. Some of you chimed in and suggested rebuilding a bed like the stock one, but for me, the flatbed will give me the utility I need, and be a lot easier/cheaper than trying to reconstruct the stock-style bed.
  • Tire size? Probably stock F350 (~31-32" tall).
  • Must be built with a meager budget.


The FC170 cab donor (see below). I originally started with this "Dan\\\\\\\\\\'s Snowplowing" cab, but plans changed when I found the (better-condition) gray/patina FC170. The "Dan's Snowplowing" FC170 is now for sale (as of June 2014).




I wanted a stout, longer-than-stock heavy-duty frame for my project. Rather than work with the original frame, I decide to mount the cab on a late-model F350 Cab & Chassis frame, allowing me to use off-the-shelf suspension & axle parts. Ultimately, I landed on using a 74K-mile 2008 frame, which included the fuel tank, lines, etc. It also has the side pieces for a hitch (but not the center section).

The Ford Body Builder Guide on the Ford Fleet site has been an incredible resource for dimensional data.




I got the narrow F350 Cab & Chassis Dana 80 (71.1" WMS-to-WMS) from the same 2008 F350 C&C. Gear ratio is 3.73.



The front axle is a Dana Super 60 (3.73 ratio) from a 105K-mile 2005 F350 pick-up. I replaced the ball joints, U-joints & pinion seal, and am just finishing up getting the axle & suspension parts cleaned up & painted.



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Old December 1st, 2013, 10:13 PM   #2
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Old December 2nd, 2013, 06:52 PM   #5
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You can plow my snow with it anytime you want
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O.k. I'm in. Just let me know if you need anything from your "east sider" friend. I still have the trailer and the truck if need be. Plus, it's always nice to venture over that way to see Amy and the girls (and yes, you too )
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Pitch the blocks and every other leaf. It'll still ride like a truck but it won't feel like the diff is welded to the frame. Air bags might help if you're going to haul heavy stuff.
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Looks like its gonna be a sweet build, definitely subscribed.
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Old December 5th, 2013, 07:50 PM   #10
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Jeep FC180 concept. 120-inch wheelbase, with a 12.5-ft. bed. Hmmm...






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Looks cool Craig!
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Needs a beaver tail now.
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I just secured a complete 141"-wheelbase 2005 F350 Super Duty Cab & Chassis frame not horribly far from my house.

The rear springs/axle from my earlier-model "frame cut" will bolt in. I will, however, have to round up some stock 2005+ Super Duty front suspension pieces (coils, torsion bars, etc.), along with a front axle, at some point. If anyone is replacing their stock 2005+ F250/350 Super Duty suspension with an aftermarket lift, I'm interested in your stock suspension parts.

This is the result of my (novice) Photoshop work, giving me a "blank canvas" to hand-draw in the rest of the custom vehicle build using my somewhat dormant artistic skills. Based on my calculations/estimations (many of which came from studying the drawings on the Ford Fleet "Body Builders Layout Book"...a GREAT resource!), the 141"-wheelbase F350 Super Duty Cab & Chassis frame should give me approximately the same bed length as the 1957 FC180 concept vehicle, but with a slightly longer wheelbase.




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Just did a 4 link on a 08 F350 this week. The customer got all of his old parts tho. Coils, radius arms and frame brackets. Are you planning to have it 4x4 still then?
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Just did a 4 link on a 08 F350 this week. The customer got all of his old parts tho. Coils, radius arms and frame brackets. Are you planning to have it 4x4 still then?
Hey Jeff. If they're interested in selling their stock parts, would you be willing to shoot me their contact info (or I can send you mine to give to them)?

Yes, I'm planning on it being 4WD, but I'll have to save and/or scour for a front axle once I do more research. I'd like to find a front axle from a DRW vehicle so I can use the DRW wheels front & rear.

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Just shooting from the hip here, but would it be "possibly" more cost-effective to either somehow graft a car trailer plat form as a bed (that way you have a beaver tail, etc.) or possibly buy a used roll back set up from an old tow truck? Just trying to think of some different ideas. You know I love the "one the cheap builds"
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Just shooting from the hip here, but would it be "possibly" more cost-effective to either somehow graft a car trailer plat form as a bed (that way you have a beaver tail, etc.) or possibly buy a used roll back set up from an old tow truck? Just trying to think of some different ideas. You know I love the "one the cheap builds"
Good idea, Travis. I'll keep this in mind further down the project.
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A few updates...

I found someone who could use the heavy-duty 12-leaf rear springs from my "frame cut", and will be pulling them off the axle later this week.

My '98.5-'99.5 F350 rear "frame cut" is now stripped down to a bare frame, and will likely be going to scrap in the spring. I had originally planned on grafting the stock front half of my stock FC170 frame to the rear half of the F350 Cab & Chassis frame. However, I found that the stock FC170 frame isn't actually solid enough to work with, and there would be a LOT of fabrication work to get everything aligned properly, as well.

I did, however, find a complete 2005 F350 Cab & Chassis 141"-wheelbase frame that I'll be picking up about 1 1/2 hours from my house this Friday. I'll have to build custom cab mounts up front, as well as figure out how to set up the steering box on the new frame, which is about 7" wider than the stock FC frame up front. The DRW rear axle will bolt into the new frame just fine. 2005 is the first year that the F350s utilized coil springs up front, which leads me to my next find...

Timing is up-in-the-air depending on when the seller can get the parts pulled, but I'll be picking up all of the front & rear suspension-related parts, and the Dana 60 front axle a 2005 F350 (SRW) that was hit in the rear. I'm not sure yet about the gear ratio of the front axle, and will likely have to regear to 4.30 eventually to match the DRW rear axle I already have. I'll also have to locate some DRW front spacers to mount on this SRW axle. The biggest challenge, though, will be finding a set of wheels. 2005 introduced bigger brake calipers & rotors on the F350s, requiring a minimum 17" wheel diameter. Most 8 x 170mm dually wheels I have seen are 16" wheels, and to further complicate things, the later-model (bigger diameter) DRW wheels used a different bolt pattern (8 x 200mm). I have a couple 16" DRW wheels, and rounded up some others, as well. However, I'll have to research if these are even an option up front, or if I'll have to go bigger down the road (aftermarket DRW wheels are stupid-expensive).

Pics of the "new" frame to come at the end of the week.
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