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Old November 19th, 2013, 08:31 PM   #41
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Old November 19th, 2013, 09:14 PM   #42
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No one here wants to touch on the lever guns?

I absolutely love lever actions. You'll be golden with an older Winchester 94 or Marlin 336 in 30/30. Be care of the new Marlins. Quality control appears to have gone to shit when they were bought out by Remington.

You can find the older JM stamped Marlins for sale quite frequently on MGO. They're great deer rifles, beautiful finish and great feel to them.
Oh no, I love a lever action. My comment was just about the muzzle loader. In my mind, a lever action and a muzzle loader are for 2 totally different things.
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Old November 20th, 2013, 08:01 AM   #44
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http://www.migunowners.org/forum/sho...ferrerid=31639 <--Absolutely AWESOME. It's not a 30-30 but .32 Special will definitely do the job and the ammo is available pretty much everywhere.

http://www.migunowners.org/forum/sho...ferrerid=31639 <--.32 Special Pre-64 Winchester 94 (EXCELLENT rifle)

http://www.migunowners.org/forum/sho...ferrerid=31639 <-- Another old Winchester 94 in awesome shape and chambered in 30-30

That's as far as I'm gonna do in finding YOU a rifle. Those are all on Michigan Gun Owners. I didn't even bother with checking Armslist.
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Old November 20th, 2013, 11:46 AM   #45
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Oh no, I love a lever action. My comment was just about the muzzle loader. In my mind, a lever action and a muzzle loader are for 2 totally different things.
IMO, if you had to get just one and only for purposes of deer hunting, I would get the M/L. You can hunt the standard firearm season (in rifle or shotgun zone) and you get the advantage of the extra M/L seasons. A rifle limits you. A quality muzzloader will be just as accurate at same distance as most of your average shots taken in the field with rifle.

Besides, you only need one shot right?
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Old November 20th, 2013, 12:33 PM   #46
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I have some lever action love :) 45-70 gets my vote, but not the cheapest to shoot. If you don't reload it's normally around $2 a round. Not priced too high if you stay with a blued barrel, but I liked the stainless look better and laid down a little extra coin.



Henry is also nice quality, this is a 44 mag - cheaper to shoot, and you need to get Henry specific mounts due to the receiver, but even iron sights out the box were pretty much on.


Had a few older model Winchesters in my time as well, and can't go wrong with them either. Though most of these were too nice to bring out in the brush all the time went hunting in the UP
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Old November 20th, 2013, 01:55 PM   #47
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That stainless model is nice.
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I have a CVA Buckhorn with a center point scope and i shoot 245 grain powerbelts. Shoots great. 3 inch groupings at 100 yards.
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Old November 20th, 2013, 08:42 PM   #49
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No pics handy and traveling a lot over the next 10 days.

It's a blue TC Black Diamond .50 cal with black synthetic stock. It's the standard model, not the "long range" model. It will take up to 3 50 grain Pyrodex pellets (or equivalent). I believe the scope is a Bushnell Trophy 3-9 x 40 with see-thru mounts, and the 209 primer adapter installed; comes with a percussion cap adapter as well, plus breech wrench.

It's in good shape - always disassembled, cleaned, and lubed - bore seasoned with TC Bore Butter.
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If you want short, look for a Winchester model 94 in the trapper model. 16" barrel
Pre 64 Winchester will command a premium price, post 64 much less. You will be buying used if Winchester.
Used muzzleloader don't seem to hold their value.
I have Knight MK85 in 54 caliber with a 1 1/2-6x scope for $200 (about the cost of the scope and mounts.)
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If you want short, look for a Winchester model 94 in the trapper model. 16" barrel
Pre 64 Winchester will command a premium price, post 64 much less. You will be buying used if Winchester.
Used muzzleloader don't seem to hold their value.
I have Knight MK85 in 54 caliber with a 1 1/2-6x scope for $200 (about the cost of the scope and mounts.)
Posted a couple Pre-64 Win 94s right above you on here for dirt cheap.

Prices are down on lever guns now that everyone wants tacticool shit.
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I like tactical shit but I'm poor dick
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Old November 22nd, 2013, 11:52 AM   #53
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if you are a hunter get a MZL. The extra season is nice.
That's stupid. I don't know why anyone would want the hassle or mess of a muzzle loader. If you are a hunter, and you want to hunt MORE buy a crossbow (or regular bow) and hunt even longer.
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I have a Post 92 Winchester 94 Ranger 20" barrel in 30-30 I would consider letting go of. PM if interested!

If looking at Winchester 94 the pre-64 are the best (forged parts), 64-91 I would stay away from (stamped and cast parts), 92 and later were made when owned by Browing and they went back to forged parts
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Posted a couple Pre-64 Win 94s right above you on here for dirt cheap.

Prices are down on lever guns now that everyone wants tacticool shit.
The second one is not pre 64.
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Old November 22nd, 2013, 11:53 PM   #56
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are you sure they are normally on the isle as the ammo ....... I don't think ive been to a walmart that didn't have them
Um, the Walmart in Fenton doesn't have guns...
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That's stupid. I don't know why anyone would want the hassle or mess of a muzzle loader. If you are a hunter, and you want to hunt MORE buy a crossbow (or regular bow) and hunt even longer.
Hassle? I can't see how it is any more hassle then a compound bow.
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The second one is not pre 64.
Are you talking about the one that the sn is in the one millions?
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Found what I think was a good deal on this 3030 so I bought it :)
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Hassle? I can't see how it is any more hassle then a compound bow.
You can reload your muzzle loader faster than an arrow? Muzzle loaders are dirty, and a huge pain in the ass to clean in my opinion. If you are looking to hunt MORE, Archery is the way to go.
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