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Old November 8th, 2013, 09:48 AM   #61
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Ford also requires I account for any period of time the candidate was NOT working between jobs and what their reasoning was.
Is "because Obama has been in office since 2008" an acceptable response?
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Here is a question for the pros. The Objective seems like a no win section where a straight forward answer (to get a job at your company, duh) scores no points while a poor objective can hurt the candidate. I canít remember a standout objective, though I donít see a ton of resumes. What do you guys look for in the objective section? What would be a stand out objective section?
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Reading this thread reminds me why I don't change jobs often. What a pain in the ass, especially since there isn't really a great range of pay in my line of work.

Haven't updated mine since 1996, my current employer had a longstanding offer I took them up on.

Guess it's time to work on it just in case.
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Here is a question for the pros. The Objective seems like a no win section where a straight forward answer (to get a job at your company, duh) scores no points while a poor objective can hurt the candidate. I can’t remember a standout objective, though I don’t see a ton of resumes. What do you guys look for in the objective section? What would be a stand out objective section?
I don't have an answer. I rarely read the objectives myself. I look to the skills and experience sections.

I think it's a trick question section....did you take the time to make sure to put an objective that matches the position desired or did you just use the same old resume?
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I use three different styles

1. Brief one page resume giving a snapshot history.
2. Two page history listing significant positions, education and achievements.
3. A three page detailed work history with position description, education, certs, awards and crowning acchievements, professional references.

The Feds used to love to use Resumix. A scanning program that scored key phrase in "knowledge, skills and abilities" . If you didn't put it down, you didn't do it.
When I've been actively looking for work I would do this. If it was going to someone at a small shop or to hand out at a job fair I'd go with the short form.
If it was going to a recruiter or "job shop" I'd go with the longer version.

One thing I've seen, and maybe kickstand could tell us how common it is, is that some recruiters will completely reformat the resumes they get so they all look similar. They will keep what they feel is important for their customer and remove what is not important. What they won't do is add anything that wasn't there. So the more you give them to work with the better they can make you sound. Also, many places put resumes into data base and use a key word search, so it's important to have the right key words.
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Here is a question for the pros. The Objective seems like a no win section where a straight forward answer (to get a job at your company, duh) scores no points while a poor objective can hurt the candidate. I canít remember a standout objective, though I donít see a ton of resumes. What do you guys look for in the objective section? What would be a stand out objective section?
I stopped putting an objective line on resumes a while ago because, like you said, the objective should be pretty obvious: to get the job.

Anything you put after that is superfluous and just giving you an opportunity to mess something up.

Besides, once you have a bit more experience, that's valuable real estate you're taking up that could be used for more details about your experience.

I feel the same way about the "References available upon request" line that many folks put at the bottom. Of course references are available upon request. And of course the people making the hiring decision will request them from you if they want them, regardless of what dribble you put at the bottom of your resume. The noteworthy thing would be if your resume said that references were NOT available upon request.
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When I've been actively looking for work I would do this. If it was going to someone at a small shop or to hand out at a job fair I'd go with the short form.
If it was going to a recruiter or "job shop" I'd go with the longer version.

One thing I've seen, and maybe kickstand could tell us how common it is, is that some recruiters will completely reformat the resumes they get so they all look similar. They will keep what they feel is important for their customer and remove what is not important. What they won't do is add anything that wasn't there. So the more you give them to work with the better they can make you sound. Also, many places put resumes into data base and use a key word search, so it's important to have the right key words.
I try not to make very many changes to a candidates resume. I will "clean it up" and put it into a cleaner format, but I keep the meat and potatoes there.

Certain customer's require certain formats. Certain staffing companies like to format resumes all the exact same as their "signature" or even as their "patented process", it is their way of trying to seperate themselves from the competition.

ALL Staffing companies and even a lot of hiring companies have a resume database. Key word searching from job boards, linked in, facebook, craigslist, indeed, and other places are how we find resumes that appear to be a fit for the position.

Don't say you are currently a CAD Designer. You're an "Automotive Designer" who uses Catia.

I don't have time to call every "designer" and ask him if he is using Catia, UG, Solidworks, Pro-E, Ideas, Etc. Put it on your resume and specifiy which systems you used at which jobs and what version.

The more accurately you depict your experience with key words the more likely you are to get a "call". The more you litter your resume with key words in hopes of coming up in a search the less likely you are to get a call if you don't have the experience to back up the key word results.

Brewmenn your resume (from what I remember of it from 3-4 years ago) is actually a very good example of a resume and how it should be written for your particular field. I was very impressed.
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I work with statistics, demographics, and fiscal and economic impact models. Numbers are definitely a good thing to include in this field.
Statistics are good. Silly statistics are not. I've had resumes where the candidate made a dram atic improvement to every company he worked for since Jr. High and the way it was phrased made it obvious it was bullshit. Keep it simple. If you improved productivity 20%, great, don't say 20.3416%

I look for key words or phrases that tell me a person "knows the lingo" of the trade. Kickstand's point of not saying CAD designer versus specific formats as an example.

I don't care about your kids, local community service or hobbies. I don't care if you flipped burgers in high school. I want to know where you worked, how long you worked there, job title and a basis of what you did. Long explanations bore me. If your resume tells me that you may have the skillsets I need, I then prefer a phone interview. I very rarely allow for a face to face without a phone interview first. I want to see how a person can talk to a stranger on the phone, respond to questions, etc.
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I have 2 full pages. Automotive engineering. I have been complemented on it many times.

Objective - What are you looking for? Why are you applying. One line.
Skills - two line bullet list of what I can do. (problem solving, DFSS, project leader, etc.)
Experience - List it. I do a paragraph of general responsibilities with specific bullets after. Yeah, that year when I was remodeling houses cause I didn't have a job, put it there, but that is all, no extra bullet points.
Education - Degree and institution that granted it, not that you went to 3 colleges before you got it from the Cracker Jack box. Also list relevant association (FSAE).
Skills / Organizations - SAE, NX7.5, MS Project, GLFWDA, etc.
Two pages if you have the experience / skills, but make sure there is white space for them to make notes.

I love reading people's resumes. Like has been said before, take the time to make it professional. If I print it out, and a paragraph carries over to the next page, that is not good. If you don't care enough about yourself to make your resume look good, what are you going to do for my company?

I have been told to take a portfolio to interviews, but I don't see the point. I don't have experience where this mattered, at least for an automotive engineer. Designer, welder, skilled trade, maybe.
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I don't care about your kids, local community service or hobbies. .
You and I always differ on this one.

I like to see hobbies on a resume, shows me that you have some interests in common with someone in the group, also shows me that you don't just go home and play world of warcraft every day.

Plus it's always a pretty good icebreaker.
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You and I always differ on this one.

I like to see hobbies on a resume, shows me that you have some interests in common with someone in the group, also shows me that you don't just go home and play world of warcraft every day.

Plus it's always a pretty good icebreaker.
True, and we have discussed this before. I am certain that for the amount of jobs you are trying to fill it makes a difference. But do I personally care if you go home & be a couch potato versus volunteering at your local church or Red Cross? Not really because it doesn't effect what I need you for.

As far as ice breakers, I would prefer to let these come up during an interview process. It may add or detract to the conversation. Do I read a person's hobby list? Yes. Will it make a difference if I call him in? Not unless I see it as a specific benefit to the job. Example; We sell into the Iron Range in Minnesota where everyone hunts and fishes. We had a city boy salesman there & he did terrible. We changed to a guy who hunts & fishes & he made great improvements because he could relate to them and they could relate to him. But knowing a guy hunts and fishes and I need him to design specialty bearings has no relevance.

EDIT; I recommend people listen to Kickstand over me. He does this for a living, I hire occasionally. My personal preferences may not be the best advice to someone trying to get into a different job market than mine.

My best advice; be honest, don't lie, be yourself. You can never go wrong with that.
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You and I always differ on this one.

I like to see hobbies on a resume, shows me that you have some interests in common with someone in the group, also shows me that you don't just go home and play world of warcraft every day.

Plus it's always a pretty good icebreaker.
I don't really care what people do on their time away from work. Playing world of warcraft vs watching sports vs riding a bike vs building birdhouses should not be influencing my decision unless they're in a position that interacts with customers and even then a good sales person or customer rep will find a way to intermingle or they won't be any good at it. Just my opinion on things.
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EDIT; I recommend people listen to Kickstand over me. He does this for a living, I hire occasionally. My personal preferences may not be the best advice to someone trying to get into a different job market than mine.

My best advice; be honest, don't lie, be yourself. You can never go wrong with that.
True- we have someone giving free advice for what he gets paid to do, and everybody else is offering opinions- myself included.

Now, if anybody need to know about industrial stamping feed equipment, I'm the guy.
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I don't really care what people do on their time away from work. Playing world of warcraft vs watching sports vs riding a bike vs building birdhouses should not be influencing my decision unless they're in a position that interacts with customers and even then a good sales person or customer rep will find a way to intermingle or they won't be any good at it. Just my opinion on things.
I am not saying by any means that someones hobbies should be a major in whether you hire them or not.

But if you took two identical resumes and one had hobbies on the bottom and you had similar hobbies in common, chances are you may build a bit of a personal rapport with this candidate that may slightly influence your hiring choice.

1 resume has jeeps as a hobby, the other doesn't. Wouldn't that make one guy slightly more interesting to you if all other factors are the same?

After the interview both candidates did very well, you have no idea what candidate one is into, but you know candidate two also likes jeeps. Hobbies never came up with the first candidate because he never listed them. It came up with candidate two because you saw it and asked.
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Many employers now REQUIRE the month and year for each position/company worked for. GM and Ford BOTH require this information to submit a resume to a contract opening. Ford also requires I account for any period of time the candidate was NOT working between jobs and what their reasoning was.
Yes. Most of the listings I have looked at recently specifically asked the person applying to account for any break in employment that was over 30 days.
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After the interview both candidates did very well, you have no idea what candidate one is into, but you know candidate two also likes jeeps. Hobbies never came up with the first candidate because he never listed them. It came up with candidate two because you saw it and asked.
I would hire the other guy.
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Wha??? McDonald's is requiring resumes now?
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Well yeah, if you're going to expect to get paid $30/hr like the retards out there thinking that "my wage = some proportion of corporate profit because they can afford it" rather than the skill required to perform the job.

Also, objective doesn't belong on modern resume's. It's redundant. Yes, we know you want to get a job to do whatever. Toss that crap out and use that space for a qualifications summary or skills summary section that's more specific to the job you're applying for.

These days there is no winning formula to writing a perfect resume other than having the right keywords on it. The online job boards scrape your resume into a database and recruiters keyword search to find you. Old school recruiters like Kickstand are manually keyword scraping and he even said he doesn't have time to read too deep into them unless you have the right number of buzzwords to warrant him assessing you closer.

And the real bummer... you could spend all kinds of time trying to follow some specific format only to have your dream job crafted resume land on some idiots desk who insists (in his/her own head) all resumes should be in Times New Roman... but your new version of Word uses Calibri and you didn't notice. Now your resume is in their trash. It may sound a little extreme but it's not. A lot of internal HR staff spend their days trying to justify their own existence.


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