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Old October 26th, 2013, 01:19 PM   #1
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i dont see the problem here

I don't get why people have sand in the vag about this.
i don't think walking around with a ak-47 looking rifle and not dropping it when cops show up is a bright idea, maybe i'm just a asshole

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Andy Lopez, 13, was carrying a pellet gun when he was shot seven times by a sheriff's deputy. According to an autopsy report, he sustained two fatal wounds.


SANTA ROSA, Calif. The Federal Bureau of Investigation is conducting an independent investigation of the fatal shooting of a popular 13-year-old boy by a sheriff's deputy in Northern California.

Sheriff Steve Freitas said in a statement Friday afternoon that he will cooperate fully with federal investigators and welcomes their participation in the probe of Andy Lopez's killing on Tuesday afternoon. The shooting has generated numerous protests and marches in the suburban town of Santa Rosa, with many residents questioning the deputy's decision to fire on the youth.

Freitas also expressed sympathy to the Lopez family and thanked the Santa Rosa community for keeping protests peaceful.

Police say Lopez was carrying a pellet gun that looked like an AK-47 assault rifle.

A timeline released Thursday by the Santa Rosa police shows that only 10 seconds passed from the moment that the sheriff's deputy and his partner called dispatch to report a suspicious person to the moment they called back to say shots had been fired.

FBI spokesman Paul Lee said he did not know why his agency decided to get involved or whether local authorities had requested its help


"The Santa Rosa Police Department said two deputies in a squad car encountered the hoodie-wearing Lopez just after 3:14 p.m.

Witnesses say at least one of the deputies took cover behind an open front door of the cruiser, and one yelled twice "drop the gun."

Ten seconds after their initial report to dispatch, one of the officers called in "shot have been fired."

Sixteen seconds later, the deputies were calling for medical help. Cruz was later pronounced dead at the scene. The Sonoma County coroner said he found seven "apparent entry wounds," two of them fatal."
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Old October 26th, 2013, 01:26 PM   #2
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People want to provoke and make a statement, and think nothing bad should happen to them.

Walk around with what looks like an AK and a pistol stuck in your waistband, or standing in front of a bull dozer, or hippies boarding a ship, its all the same to me. As they say, play with fire.....
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Old October 26th, 2013, 01:30 PM   #3
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he was shot seven times by a sheriff's deputy. According to an autopsy report, he sustained two fatal wounds.
How do they figure only two were fatal?
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Old October 26th, 2013, 01:32 PM   #4
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Would you have a problem if it was a OC douchebag walking around with a actual long gun?
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Old October 26th, 2013, 01:36 PM   #5
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How do they figure only two were fatal?
Two hit major arteries or organs and were fatal shots, the rest were poorly placed.

Also the thing I read earlier is one cop did all the shooting, so in the course of 10 seconds they radioed in, ordered the suspect to drop weapons, sent 7 rounds down range and radioed in shots fired.

Just to clarify I hope the officers are cleared, but I think the timeframe will hurt them.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 01:39 PM   #6
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I could see something bad coming of this if it was an airsoft gun with the orange tip, but that definitely looks like a real AK so I think the officers will be getting off without more than a slap on the wrist.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 01:47 PM   #7
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Would you have a problem if it was a OC douchebag walking around with a actual long gun?
Maybe the way he was carrying it? That's my guess is he had it in his hands not on a sling ready to shoot something. I don't know the facta so that's just a guess.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 01:49 PM   #8
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Maybe the way he was carrying it? That's my guess is he had it in his hands not on a sling ready to shoot something. I don't know the facta so that's just a guess.
The full article said the officers yelled twice to drop the gun and the kid started to turn towards them and raise the barrel before the 24 yr. veteran officer opened fire.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 01:53 PM   #9
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The full article said the officers yelled twice to drop the gun and the kid started to turn towards them and raise the barrel before the 24 yr. veteran officer opened fire.
Sounds like they were just making sure they return home at the end of the night then.

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Old October 26th, 2013, 02:19 PM   #10
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You racist bastards. Start posting all the stories of white kids doing these same type of antics.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 02:40 PM   #11
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If I had a son he'd look like Andy.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 03:12 PM   #12
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My only question is what the fukc were his parents doing? A 13 year old should be in a public place with a gun of any sort. They should be investigated and possibliy slapped with manslauter.

You can drag open carry into this but that just shows a desperate attempt to get rid of something that scares you. You can clearly see that his gun has no sling meaning to was in his hands. He also is 13, I don't know the law in California but I would be a 13 year old can't legally posses and carry a firearm. This incident has nothing to do with legal adults carrying a firearm in a legal manner. Draging that topic into a discussion such as this one hurts the cause.
( I do not nor will I open carry. I simply support freedom as stated by the constitution.)
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Old October 26th, 2013, 03:37 PM   #13
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The officers did the right thing. Sad the situation wasn't what they thought but they did what needed to be done at the time. 7 shots seems a bit much but I wasn't there so I don't know.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 03:45 PM   #14
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The officers did the right thing. Sad the situation wasn't what they thought but they did what needed to be done at the time. 7 shots seems a bit much but I wasn't there so I don't know.
Don't see where it really matters. A cop shoots someone to make them dead. That is the point. Not to warn, stun, or wound. If they've got a gun in their hand, you need to make them dead fast, fast enough to not get a shot off back at you.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 04:22 PM   #15
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My only question is what the fukc were his parents doing? A 13 year old should be in a public place with a gun of any sort. They should be investigated and possibliy slapped with manslauter.

You can drag open carry into this but that just shows a desperate attempt to get rid of something that scares you. You can clearly see that his gun has no sling meaning to was in his hands. He also is 13, I don't know the law in California but I would be a 13 year old can't legally posses and carry a firearm. This incident has nothing to do with legal adults carrying a firearm in a legal manner. Draging that topic into a discussion such as this one hurts the cause.
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Lol yep pegged me right on guns scare the shit out of me.

A lot of OC I've seen with long guns, carry slung to front at ready in there hands.






Quick couple pics from mi rally.

So police would have been justified in shooting the blond in front?

Once again I'll say I don't think the cops were in the wrong, I'm am saying though if it had happened to the OC dbag in Detroit whom the rally was for I don't think you'd call it a clean shoot.

Also IMHO anyone who OC a long gun in a heavily populated area is asking for 15 minutes of fame, and hurts the cause more then anything.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 04:24 PM   #16
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Don't see where it really matters. A cop shoots someone to make them dead. That is the point. Not to warn, stun, or wound. If they've got a gun in their hand, you need to make them dead fast, fast enough to not get a shot off back at you.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 05:04 PM   #17
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I will not debate OC in this thread. It's sad that a 13 year old boy is dead because of lack of parenting. I won't blindly say the cops are right or wrong. Those who do are ignorant, unless thy were there at the time of the shooting and know ALL facts.

RIP Andy.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 05:19 PM   #18
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Lol yep pegged me right on guns scare the shit out of me.

A lot of OC I've seen with long guns, carry slung to front at ready in there hands.






Quick couple pics from mi rally.

So police would have been justified in shooting the blond in front?

Once again I'll say I don't think the cops were in the wrong, I'm am saying though if it had happened to the OC dbag in Detroit whom the rally was for I don't think you'd call it a clean shoot.

Also IMHO anyone who OC a long gun in a heavily populated area is asking for 15 minutes of fame, and hurts the cause more then anything.
IMO, if the blonde in front was walking down the street alone carrying a rifle in that manner, shooting her would be justified. The police were aware this was a dbag- er- OC rally so a certain amount of restraint was most likely the order of the day.
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