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Old October 7th, 2013, 03:31 PM   #121
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Hmmm.... Looks like bicycles aren't allowed on highways around here.

That's a Freeway!
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Old October 7th, 2013, 03:35 PM   #122
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Hmmm.... Looks like bicycles aren't allowed on highways around here.

Some peoples definition of highway is not the same as yours. Highway can be considered a road like M54 (Otherwise known as DORT HIGHWAY), while using the work Freeway for interstate roads like I75.
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Old October 7th, 2013, 03:41 PM   #123
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I have not read through these posts but illegal or not, cyclists annoy the shit out of me. These assholes who probably have "same road, same rules" bumper stickers on their cars are the same assholes who blow through stop signs, split lanes, ride the shoulder and ride 20 mph in 45 mph zones.

Just because you can legally do something doesn't mean you are not an asshole for doing it.
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Old October 7th, 2013, 03:46 PM   #124
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I have not read through these posts but illegal or not, cyclists annoy the shit out of me. These assholes who probably have "same road, same rules" bumper stickers on their cars are the same assholes who blow through stop signs, split lanes, ride the shoulder and ride 20 mph in 45 mph zones.

Just because you can legally do something doesn't mean you are not an asshole for doing it.
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My wife and I love to ride. When we do ride on the road, we do it legally,and with respect to the traffic around to cause as little inconvenience to traffic as possible, which many times includes not doing things that we are legally entitled to do as a cyclist. Many times, we will ILLEGALLY ride on the shitty old sidewalk full of broken concrete, missing concrete, exposed tree roots, fallen branches, garbage cans, and children playing, to avoid LEGALLY riding on the road.

We've all but given up trying to ride on the road unless there is a huge (48" wide or wider) shoulder, or it's an organized even with the roads blocked off. Even rural roads that one car goes down an hour aren't safe with some off the assholes out there. Even BIKE LANES aren't even remotely safe to ride in. Some of the attitudes and thoughts expressed in this thread are a perfect example of why. There are too many ignorant assholes out there who....
  • who think that just because they've seen a few cyclists do stupid shit that every cyclist on the road needs to be "paid back" for the stupid shit that those people have done
  • who think it's some game to "buzz" me by going by at highway speeds purposely hugging the right side of the road and missing my head with their big tow mirror by just inches
  • who insist on staying in the far right lane on a 4 lane divided highway so they can buzz me, even though there are no other cars on the road, and they could have easily moved over
  • who like to wait until the very last second before they blow their horn for absolutely no reason and scare the shit out of me
  • who won't slow down for just a few seconds until it's clear to pass
  • who think passing a cyclist is the perfect opportunity to show how much coal their diesel can roll
  • who like to throw trash and other shit out the window as if it's a game of "hit the cyclist on the way by"
  • who throw nails and glass bottles on the road ahead of me as I'm riding
  • who feel entitled to the road for themselves only for ridiculous reasons that usually defy the law
I find that most of these assholes have some sort of entitlement problem, and apparently think "I'm the best driver on the road and everybody else can get the fukc out of my way". Along with this comes their thought that....
  • semis and anybody with a trailer needs to stay in the right lane at all times, except for me when I have a trailer
  • everybody going slower than me (regardles of the speed limit or road conditions) is impeding traffic and needs to speed up
  • everybody going faster than me (regardless of the speed limit or road conditions) is reckless and needs to slow down
  • you should know that I'm driving a big truck with a big trailer and I can't stop in a reasonable distance, so if I run a red light and hit you, it's your fault because because you were too stupid to not know that I can't stop, and you shouldn't have went when the light turned green
  • anybody towing a trailer is too heavy / loaded wrong, except me, because I drive a 30 year old Cummins and I can tow 50,000 pounds safely
After riding respectfully for years and years, and being treated like that (potentially killed - many, many times), people wonder why cyclists do stuff like pull out into the middle of the extra-narrow lane as they cross a bridge so nobody can get by until they are across the bridge. It's because we know that one of these days some asshole is going to kill us. So because so many drivers are so stupid, we need to force them to obey the law and do what's safe, because we know that many people won't.

Regardless of what is legal, illegal, right, wrong, or what anybody says, I've all but given up. Car versus bike = bike loses every time. I don't love cycling so much that I'm willing to roll the dice with death that often. Cyclists are way outnumbered, so no matter how hard we try, or what the laws are, it's a losing battle for cyclists.
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Old October 7th, 2013, 03:57 PM   #125
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Some peoples definition of highway is not the same as yours. Highway can be considered a road like M54 (Otherwise known as DORT HIGHWAY), while using the work Freeway for interstate roads like I75.
My apologies... I have always referred to them as higways, either limited access or full access.
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Old October 7th, 2013, 03:58 PM   #126
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Don't be an asshole, read before you post.
And his post has nothing to do with mine.
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Old October 7th, 2013, 04:05 PM   #127
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Regardless, cyclists have a death wish. Do cyclist realize how many muslim women wearing burka's out there can't drive? Or the old people who are dazed and confused? Let's not forget about those texting teenagers!!!
Funny yoy should mention texting teens. I drive 58 hours a week and I see tons of teen girls texting, but to my suprise the worst I've seen are business men, and just about everyone in their 40s and 50s who have teen drivers they tell not to text and drive.
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Old October 7th, 2013, 05:43 PM   #128
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Did you ever think that you are making car drivers waste their gas when they slow down to follow behind you, then they have to speed back up once they pass you. It is a lot easier for a bicycler to slow from 20 to maybe 7-8 mph to pass a person vs making a car slow from 55/60ish-20 to follow then pass a bicycler.
Seriously?

First of all, nobody cares about the gas that you think you're wasting.

Second, look at all the factors that play into mileage.....
big tires
lift kits
driving fast
accelerating fast
not coasting to stops
letting your car warm up
mechanical problems

I guarantee having to slow down for a cyclist is having about .0000001% effect on your mileage.
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Old October 7th, 2013, 05:53 PM   #129
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Seriously?

First of all, nobody cares about the gas that you think you're wasting.

Second, look at all the factors that play into mileage.....
big tires
lift kits
driving fast
accelerating fast
not coasting to stops
letting your car warm up
mechanical problems

I guarantee having to slow down for a cyclist is having about .0000001% effect on your mileage.
When you have a lot of cars following behind you waiting to pass, you are collectively wasting a lot of gas. It was more so meant towards people who ride bikes to be green, which is probably none of the bike riders on here.
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Old October 8th, 2013, 08:27 AM   #130
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When you have a lot of cars following behind you waiting to pass, you are collectively wasting a lot of gas. It was more so meant towards people who ride bikes to be green, which is probably none of the bike riders on here.
It could be wasting gas but I'm pretty sure a car idling uses less fuel then a car going 55MPH. If that's the case, we're actually forcing people to be more green by driving slower.

You could also think of it as that person being one less car to pollute the air, tear up the road, and add to the traffic load during rush hour.

I don't drive to be green, I do it because I'm cheap and riding my bike takes up less money then driving a car.
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Old October 8th, 2013, 02:08 PM   #131
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It could be wasting gas but I'm pretty sure a car idling uses less fuel then a car going 55MPH. If that's the case, we're actually forcing people to be more green by driving slower.

You could also think of it as that person being one less car to pollute the air, tear up the road, and add to the traffic load during rush hour.

I don't drive to be green, I do it because I'm cheap and riding my bike takes up less money then driving a car.
I am talking about the wasted gas from speeding back up after we have been following you.
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Old October 8th, 2013, 03:59 PM   #132
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I am talking about the wasted gas from speeding back up after we have been following you.
A better use of your time would be to pester the County Road Commission to study the timing of traffic lights.
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Old October 8th, 2013, 04:12 PM   #133
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When I have to renew my license plate tabs on both trucks, pay tax on the fuel I put in those trucks, I have the right of way.



At least that's how I feel. I worked in Commerce, and my routes were always through Walled Lake, Birmingham, West Bloomfield, and Royal Oak. Many cyclists, and it made the work day (sometimes) frustrating. The cyclists seemed like they thought they owned the road. Very dangerous. If the town/city is heavily populated with cyclists, have designated cycle paths, not just one.
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Old October 8th, 2013, 04:14 PM   #134
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Just out of curiosity, when you bikers are on the road do you have to obey the same laws that a car or truck does? I really don't know and want to.

We have a bike trail three streets over from my house and in turn get a lot of bike traffic in the roads. But not very many of them care about traffic laws while in the street.
Yes, you are supposed to follow the exact same rules as cars do. Stop, use turn signals, etc.
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I used to hate having to wait for cyclists, then I started running and or riding my bike more often on the roads. I've since become MUCH more courteous to others and taken more time to just wait for a safer time to pass, even if it is a shaved legged group of roadie fags in lycra....

In the end, it's not a very big deal to just wait and pass at a safe time, it's never cost me more than 30 seconds of my time, and I really don't see the big deal.
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Old October 8th, 2013, 05:56 PM   #136
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A better use of your time would be to pester the County Road Commission to study the timing of traffic lights.
That really pisses me off too. Kalamazoo lights are terrible.
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