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Old October 4th, 2013, 02:36 PM   #21
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Old October 4th, 2013, 02:37 PM   #22
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if you want us to respect you on the road keep up with traffic, if you're riding 20mph in a 55, get the fukc off the road, there are plenty of bike paths and areas that have a speed limit alot closer to your speed.
It's a speed limit, not a minimum.
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Old October 4th, 2013, 02:38 PM   #23
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I see this special type of Dick-head, quite often as well. If he's going to be on the street, put plates and INS on the bike. That'll encourage sidewalk use, and i won't spill my latte when i hit this speed bump, i.mean cyclist.
Riding a bicycle on the sidewalk in most areas is actually illegal.
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I'll listen to what cyclist have to say about riding on the road when you can go to Mackinac Island and the "traffic" on the road isn't all fucked up and people aren't going each and every way humanly possible.
This makes 0 sense.
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I have to say I disagree with a lot of the things posted.

The law gives bikes the right to exist on the road with vehicles. You may disagree with this the same way you disagree with speed limits and the rest of the motor vehicle code, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a law.
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I will respect the bicyclist only to the point of not putting them in harms way or killing them. However if I can pass you without danger to the bicyclist I will.

If there is a herd of douchbags with seat posts up their asses blocking my passage I will keep my distance with utter disgust till I can legally pass.
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I have to say I disagree with a lot of the things posted.

The law gives bikes the right to exist on the road with vehicles. You may disagree with this the same way you disagree with speed limits and the rest of the motor vehicle code, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a law.
Does the law allow the bike riders to disregard all traffic laws? I don't have an issue with anyone riding on the road.

I have a big issue with the riders not stopping for stop signs, not taking there turn at a 4way stop, blowing thru a stop light because no cars are coming, riding in the right hand turn lane then going thru the intersection and not turning.

If you are going to ride on the road you should have to follow all traffic laws and if you don't you should be ticked when cought just like anyother driver on the road.
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Old October 4th, 2013, 03:58 PM   #27
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Does the law allow the bike riders to disregard all traffic laws? I don't have an issue with anyone riding on the road.

I have a big issue with the riders not stopping for stop signs, not taking there turn at a 4way stop, blowing thru a stop light because no cars are coming, riding in the right hand turn lane then going thru the intersection and not turning.

If you are going to ride on the road you should have to follow all traffic laws and if you don't you should be ticked when cought just like anyother driver on the road.
I don't think anyone is arguing or advocating that that is ok. I think bikers that blow through stop signs and what not is bullshit as well. There are always going to be "those people" just like we have our illegal wheelers.

I don't think that is the correlation anyone is trying to make. Regardless of the assholes that don't obey the rules of the road it's not ok to treat the bicyclists that do follow the laws like they don't belong on the road.
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I live right down the road from the Macomb bike trail and see cyclist on very busy main roads everyday. I don't understand this at all.. Roads like 29mile are treated like a freeway, cars going 55+ mph and about a 6inch shoulder on each side. It Just seems like it would be a gamble every time a car passes by. I don't understand why they even take the risk. While I may obey the laws, the chances that others will is slim at best.. Why not just take the danger out of the equation and take your bike to a safe play to ride.
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I don't understand why they even take the risk.
This. As a group cyclists must be a trustworthy bunch, or a foolish bunch, to trust all the idiots out there not to turn them into a grease spot on the road. I mean, we've all got priorities and rationalize risks, but I can't imagine how unenjoyable and unsatisfying it must be to ride along a busy road like that in the name of exercise.
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The ones I really can't stand, and I think it give all bicycles a bad name, are the ones that you slow down for and wait until is safe to pass just to have them cut pass you and though the next red light to have to do it all over again. If you are on the road you should have to follow the laws just like any other car/truck on the road IMO.
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I live right down the road from the Macomb bike trail and see cyclist on very busy main roads everyday. I don't understand this at all.. Roads like 29mile are treated like a freeway, cars going 55+ mph and about a 6inch shoulder on each side. It Just seems like it would be a gamble every time a car passes by. I don't understand why they even take the risk. While I may obey the laws, the chances that others will is slim at best.. Why not just take the danger out of the equation and take your bike to a safe play to ride.
Many people, like me, frequently commute into work on bike. Most of my commute is on the shoulder of 45+ MPH roads and I do not have an issue with the cars passing by, but occasionally get an entitled asshole in a hurry to finish the rat race honk at me or almost hit me. Cyclist have every right to be on those roads though, and as somebody else mentioned it's usually illegal for us to ride on the sidewalk, and even if it isn't it's dangerous for the pedestrians. A 20 lb. road bike with a 200 lb. rider hitting a child that just jumped out into the sidewalk would not end well.
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This makes 0 sense.
ha ha obviously you didn't understand what I was trying to convey.

Have you ever been to Mackinac Island?

There are bikes going the wrong way, the right way, side ways, sidewalks, etc. When people are on bikes, they feel like traffic laws don't apply, and lots do what they please.

I believe in share the road, but I also believe you have to be crazy to want to share the road on a bicycle with dipshit American drivers.
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When I have to renew my license plate tabs on both trucks, pay tax on the fuel I put in those trucks, I have the right of way.



At least that's how I feel. I worked in Commerce, and my routes were always through Walled Lake, Birmingham, West Bloomfield, and Royal Oak. Many cyclists, and it made the work day (sometimes) frustrating. The cyclists seemed like they thought they owned the road. Very dangerous. If the town/city is heavily populated with cyclists, have designated cycle paths, not just one.
Like the article the OP posted said, MOST cyclists (especially in Michigan) own cars as well. We pay the same taxes, but we decided to cut out the fuel as much as we could by taking the bike option when available. I pay the taxes on a truck and a motorcycle, I have just as much of a right to the roads as you. Like I mentioned in my last post, the sidewalk usually is not an option and is almost never a safe one. Bike paths don't go everywhere I need to go, so that leaves the side of the road for me.
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Old October 4th, 2013, 05:37 PM   #35
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Why not just take the danger out of the equation and take your bike to a safe play to ride.
Probably because they are trying to get somewhere not accessible by the recreational bike trail?
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Old October 4th, 2013, 05:56 PM   #36
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I have to say I disagree with a lot of the things posted.

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I will respect the bicyclist only to the point of not putting them in harms way or killing them. However if I can pass you without danger to the bicyclist I will.

If there is a herd of douchbags with seat posts up their asses blocking my passage I will keep my distance with utter disgust till I can legally pass.
Thank you! Not saying that I'm one of the Douchbags, If I ride in a pack, it's single file and we obey traffic laws.

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Does the law allow the bike riders to disregard all traffic laws? I don't have an issue with anyone riding on the road.

I have a big issue with the riders not stopping for stop signs, not taking there turn at a 4way stop, blowing thru a stop light because no cars are coming, riding in the right hand turn lane then going thru the intersection and not turning.

If you are going to ride on the road you should have to follow all traffic laws and if you don't you should be ticked when cought just like anyother driver on the road.
I agree completely! I think the problem is that it's hard to catch or identify a bicycle to actually ticket them. That and people are stupid. Especially fixie riders.

When I'm in town IN traffic, I act like a slow moving car. I stay to the right, I have a flasher on, and I try to be as little of an inconvenience as possible. However, I make sure I'm safe. That means making sure you don't pass me unless I feel you have space.

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Because the side walk, IMO, is more dangerous then the road. Anyone who's ever flipped over the rear end of a car backing out can tell you that. Most cyclists focus on cadence and keeping a constant pace. You cannot do this on the sidewalk with all the drive ways, the pedestrians, etc, it doesn't work. Most of those cyclists also travel anywhere from 18-25 MPH which is down right dangerous on the side walk. Ask any MSU student and they'll agree with you.

Rail trails are great but you often run into the same problem you do with sidewalks.
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Old October 4th, 2013, 05:56 PM   #37
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I thought I was the only one who hate these idoits and why do we keep building bike paths when the road next to it is falling apart. I live in northern Michigan where we had one of these idiots die this summer because he was on a new bike path that was not done yet. He was on the new path before they had put the stop signs up and he ran across a intersection without looking, one last idiot to dodge on the road.
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I thought I was the only one who hate these idoits and why do we keep building bike paths when the road next to it is falling apart. I live in northern Michigan where we had one of these idiots die this summer because he was on a new bike path that was not done yet. He was on the new path before they had put the stop signs up and he ran across a intersection without looking, one last idiot to dodge on the road.
So you complain when their on the road but call them idiots when they are not on the road? That makes sense.

Northern Michigan must be great place to ride, where do you live?
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Old October 4th, 2013, 07:02 PM   #39
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I do my best to share the road with bicyclist. If they are dickheads I just happen to own a large diesel truck and am more than willing to share some of my spent fuel with them.
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I had an incident a few years ago of almost killing some guy riding down the side of the road. I was coming down the road in the right lane and there was a bike rider about 200 feet up the road on the very side of the travel lane. Speed limit on the road is 55 through this section. As i approached him i watched as he suddenly went end over end less than 100 feet from me and skidded out directly in the center of the lane. Thankfully for him there was no cars to the left of me and i was quick enough to swerve just missing him. I stopped to find out if he was ok which he was. Guess he somehow put his foot in the front tire of the bike. I then lectured him that there was a sidewalk 15 feet to his right and he should have been riding there. He's lucky i didn't flatten him like a pancake.

When i was a kid and rode a bike everywhere i always rode on the sidewalk if it was available. Legal or not varies with townships, but i've never been hassled by cops for it.
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