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Old October 5th, 2013, 08:55 AM   #41
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http://nationalreport.net/obama-uses...ment-shutdown/

But he can self fund the re-opening of a muslem museum...
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Old October 5th, 2013, 09:38 AM   #42
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But he can self fund the re-opening of a muslem museum...
http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/museum.asp
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Wow I sucked at typing last night. I meant to say the President cannot change laws. Sorry about that.

Not to familiar with these exemptions. I've heard claims of exempting unions and such, which I agree should not happen.
Unions, Congress, some small and big business.

And by the simple act of exempting them, without any provision in the law allowing him to do so, and the way the law is written.... He is changing the law.
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...se-of-Shutdown

Enjoy that tid bit.

They are trying to close the OCEAN.

Impeach, Arrest and Imprison them all.
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Old October 5th, 2013, 11:09 AM   #45
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Unions, Congress, some small and big business.

And by the simple act of exempting them, without any provision in the law allowing him to do so, and the way the law is written.... He is changing the law.
Yes, like I said, I've heard the claims.

I have not heard the justification, or just what is meant by "exempt".
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Old October 5th, 2013, 01:19 PM   #46
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Enjoy that tid bit.

They are trying to close the OCEAN.

Impeach, Arrest and Imprison them all.
This should be enough proof that this government is all about control and not what is best for the people.
Liberals should be ashamed to call themselves democrat supporters with stuff like this going on.
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Yes, like I said, I've heard the claims.

I have not heard the justification, or just what is meant by "exempt".
In short, across the spectrum, is increased costs to the end user.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...des-90610.html

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opini...,6344095.story
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march with me to overthrow congress next week. (it's the only time I could get off work).
we need lots of guns and probably an armored truck....and a cannon
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This very well could be what starts the second American Revolution
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Yep. Friends of mine who've thought for the past couple years that I was a conspiracy theorist are doubting me less and less.
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I keep hearing a lot of people talking about it.
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Thanks. Did you read those?

In the first, what they are trying to exempt people from is a provision that prevents the Government, in this case as an employer, from paying a portion of it's employees health insurance premium, as they have in the past. It's preventing congressional staffers from getting a big pay cut. This sounds reasonable to me.

The second article talks of temporary exemptions so employers can keep their insurance for now even though they don't meet the minimum requirement under the law. Again, this sounds reasonable to me.
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Thanks. Did you read those?

In the first, what they are trying to exempt people from is a provision that prevents the Government, in this case as an employer, from paying a portion of it's employees health insurance premium, as they have in the past. It's preventing congressional staffers from getting a big pay cut. This sounds reasonable to me.

The second article talks of temporary exemptions so employers can keep their insurance for now even though they don't meet the minimum requirement under the law. Again, this sounds reasonable to me.
Yes, I read them.

So Congressional staffers cannot take a pay cut due to losing its employers subsidies, but the rest of the general population, thats ok?

Employers can get an exemption under the "affordable" and "minimum" requirement, but what about the rest of the general population?

Didn't the house put forward a proposal to delay the entire thing by 1 year in one of the CR, and that got rejected? They already did it for themselves and some business, why not all the little guys?

If one takes just these 3 tidbits, it appears that our Government cares more about its own employees and business than it does the general population. I realize that's getting into conspiracy territory, but the argument can be made. Especially when one contrasts that to the resources our Government is putting into closing things that need no money or attention to remain open.
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The Amber Alert system is now down, and these a$$hole polititions are still getting paid. Wonder if how they would feel if a family member was missing and noone could help.
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The Amber Alert system is now down, and these a$$hole polititions are still getting paid. Wonder if how they would feel if a family member was missing and noone could help.
What is picked for closure has nothing to do with money. It has everything to do with pushing the boot of big government down a bit harder on the throat of We The People.

It costs less than $100,000 a year to have the White House open for tours yet it's closed due to "sequester" while they give BILLIONS away to foreign countries that hate us.
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What is picked for closure has nothing to do with money. It has everything to do with pushing the boot of big government down a bit harder on the throat of We The People.

It costs less than $100,000 a year to have the White House open for tours yet it's closed due to "sequester" while they give BILLIONS away to foreign countries that hate us.
Has anybody heard if the shut down has stopped foreign aid?
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Has anybody heard if the shut down has stopped foreign aid?
I highly doubt it.

They are only closing/stopping spending on things Americans either need or enjoy. The king only wants to punish his serfs. Not the people of the world.
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Old October 7th, 2013, 08:45 AM   #59
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Has anybody heard if the shut down has stopped foreign aid?
While I am not always a supporter of foreign aid, especially for how some countries that openly support terrorism and are violators of many basic human rights receive millions and millions of dollars and because of a multitude of inefficiencies in the system, it is important to note that when a foreign country receives $X in U.S. government aid, that money is actually spent here in the United States on products and services that are given to the foreign country.

So when a country like Kazakhstan receives $13,960,000 in U.S. aid in 2012, that is $13,960,000 that is spent here in the U.S. on food products, medical equipment and goods, military equipment, advanced technology, etc. and then shipped overseas.

The foreign aid dollars have a huge impact on local economies because they support basic industries that export rather than non-basic industries where the money is just circulating and re-circulating locally. Supporting basic industries has a much higher multiplier effect than subsidies to non-basic industries would.

The U.S. does not just cut a check for $X to the foreign countries to do with what they want.
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Reguardless of how its spent we do not have the funds in the US to send money or products that other countries do not pay for. Yes it will cost jobs, but this practice is bankrupting our country.
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