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Old November 12th, 2013, 08:59 PM   #101
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you cant blame howard when your D breaks down.
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I understand that, but he is mid 20s in GAA and SV% stats in the NHL.
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Old November 12th, 2013, 09:08 PM   #103
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an I think it's time to get rid of Babcock.
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So the defense had been terrible in shoot outs, Howard has a .250 sv% in shootouts this year, by far the worst in the NHL. I'm a huge Howard fan and usually argue for him, but he seems sub par this year.
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They need to put Howard on the bus out of town with the dunce Abdelkader.
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Old November 12th, 2013, 09:29 PM   #106
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I'm having a hard time deciding if it is Howard or the defense. Besides the shootout...
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I'm having a hard time deciding if it is Howard or the defense. Besides the shootout...
The shot totals in this game alone should make it obvious. Howard.

I'm not a big numbers guy but team stats are telling.

That said the D hasn't been stellar. A couple of the guys in GR should be up for another looksee soon IMO.
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They need to put Howard on the bus out of town with the dunce Abdelkader.
I wouldn't go that far yet, my mind may be changed in another month though.
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Old November 13th, 2013, 06:02 AM   #109
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The shot totals in this game alone should make it obvious. Howard.

I'm not a big numbers guy but team stats are telling.

That said the D hasn't been stellar. A couple of the guys in GR should be up for another looksee soon IMO.
Not always. When the shots on goal are really lopsided and a team still loses, quiet often they were getting too aggressive & let the other team get behind them. I didn't see the first part of the game so I don't know if this was the case.

Howard has his standout moments and eh moments.

Howard kept them in the game last night and our allstars couldn't win the shootout. Pavel is #1 for shootout goals and missed. Burt missed. Their guys didn't.

So the whole team last night.
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The wings always loose games they out shoot teams 2-1. I'd bet its 9/10 times
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I watched the 2nd and 3rd periods (or parts of them as I dozed in and out). They definitely don't look like the same old wings. A lot of bouncing pucks, missed shots/onetimers/bang bang plays, no forecheck, and terrible defense. I think its gonna be a long season of outshooting teams and losing.

Even though we outshot them last night I don't think we out chanced them. Many of the shots were from afar, very easy for the goalie to see, very few re-directs, etc.
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I watched the 2nd and 3rd periods (or parts of them as I dozed in and out). They definitely don't look like the same old wings. A lot of bouncing pucks, missed shots/onetimers/bang bang plays, no forecheck, and terrible defense. I think its gonna be a long season of outshooting teams and losing.

Even though we outshot them last night I don't think we out chanced them. Many of the shots were from afar, very easy for the goalie to see, very few re-directs, etc.
no forecheck, try no checking at all

And they only make long shots because it seems like they don't put any pressure in the offensive zone lately, just pass it around and around, looking for the perfect plays. This is why I'm dissappointed about Tootoo, they need to put some grit back in there...
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Old November 13th, 2013, 08:27 AM   #113
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no forecheck, try no checking at all

And they only make long shots because it seems like they don't put any pressure in the offensive zone lately, just pass it around and around, looking for the perfect plays. This is why I'm dissappointed about Tootoo, they need to put some grit back in there...
Yeah, a lot of times when you outshoot a team like that it seems like most of the shots are either highly contested by the defense or are perimeter shots forced by the defense and the other teams goalie has no problem seeing them coming and stopping them.

Abdelkader leads the league in hits (not really, he is in 7th with 60 something and the league leader has 80 something)? Yet the forecheck is weak as hell and they don't seem to hit anyone. I wonder why? Oh, that is because the next Detroit player with "hits" is Tod Bertuzzi tied for 174th place in the league with 25 hits.

This team is in my opinion not nearly gritty enough to make it through the regular season let along the playoffs.
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My opinion doesn't count for much, but you cant put the blame square on anybody on that team, except for maybe the General.

They have played as a medium average team all year with a couple hot shot plays in the mix. Almost like they don't have the fever for the game anymore. Maybe it is time to bring up a couple young bucks who have the drive, and it will lite a fire under those not performing as well.

The defense has been sub-par for most of the games that I have had a chance to watch. (which is not many)

I do know that my daughter (who is a goalie) gets quite annimated when she is watching the Wings about how the defense is letting the goalies hang out to dry.
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Howard FUCKING BLOWS!
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Howard has 5 wins and 11 loses, and backup goalies are 4-0, time to let howard sit a few.
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I am drunk though so I could be wrong.
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I am drunk though so I could be wrong.
I wouldn't go as far as blows, he is a good goalie, just doesn't seem to be as good this year.
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I wouldn't go as far as blows, he is a good goalie, just doesn't seem to be as good this year.
5-11 is far from not as good as last season lol. I missed the game. I see they lost another shootout
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5-11 is far from not as good as last season lol. I missed the game. I see they lost another shootout
I was just saying he is a good goalie not playing well, he is still a top 30 goalie
I just don't understand with how well the backups have done, why not try them, are they butthurt about sitting their new long term high $$$$ goalie.
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