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Old October 2nd, 2013, 06:40 PM   #241
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the spending bill has nothing to do with obamacare. The only reason they are connected is because the republican are insisting that they won't pass the spending bill without somehow dinging obamacare in the process. This is all about the trying to score political points.
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Old October 2nd, 2013, 07:31 PM   #243
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This is what we are in for IF we refuse to sign up for healthcare. Are we ok with this?

http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines...-bank-accounts
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This is what we are in for IF we refuse to sign up for healthcare. Are we ok with this?

http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines...-bank-accounts
This is copied and pasted from another board that I'm a member of. I have NOT tried to verify it but it sounds about right considering the direction of the feds as of late.

This is the second Judge to have read the Obama Care document and made comments.
More highlights of Nancy’s, "Pass it and Then find out what's in the bill"! Show this to
everyone nearing the ripe old age of 76. These are just a few of the things that we seniors
are going to have to deal with starting in 2014. Even far left Democrats will not like these.
MEDICARE AT AGE 76 IMPORTANT PLEASE READ - ANYONE WHO DOUBTS THIS IS TRUE
CAN DOWNLOAD THE NEW OBAMA CARE AND LOOK UP THE PAGES MENTIONED. THIS IS
JUST THE BEGINNING. PLEASE PASS THIS OUTRAGE TO EVERYONE ON YOUR LIST!!! THIS
should be read by everyone, especially important to those over 75....... If you are younger,
then it may apply to your parents....

Your hospital Medicare admittance has just changed under Obama Care. You must be
admitted by your primary Physician in order for Medicare to pay for it! If you are admitted
by an emergency room doctor it is treated as outpatient care where hospital costs are
not covered. This is only the tip of the iceberg for Obama Care. Just wait to see what
happen in this year and 2014!

YOU ARE NOT GOING TO LIKE THIS... At age 76 when you most need it most, you are not
eligible for cancer treatment * see page 272 What Nancy Pelosi didn't want us to know
until after the healthcare bill was passed. Remember she said, "We have to pass the Bill
so that we can see what's in it." Well, here it is.

Obama Care Highlighted by Page Number THE CARE BILL HB 3200 JUDGE KITHIL IS THE
2ND OFFICIAL WHO HAS OUTLINED THESE PARTS OF THE CARE BILL.

Judge Kithil of Marble Falls, TX - highlighted the most egregious pages of HB3200 Please
read this....... especially the reference to pages 58 & 59

JUDGE KITHIL wrote:
** Page 50/section 152: The bill will provide insurance to all non-U.S. residents, even if
they are here illegally.

** Page 58 and 59: The government will have real-time access to an individual's bank
account and will have the authority to make electronic fund transfers from those accounts.

** Page 65/section 164: The plan will be subsidized (by the government) for all union
members, union retirees and for community organizations (such as the Association of
Community Organizations for Reform Now - ACORN).

** Page 203/line 14-15: The tax imposed under this section will not be treated as a tax.
(How could anybody in their right mind come up with that?)

** Page 241 and 253: Doctors will all be paid the same regardless of specialty, and the
government will set all doctors' fees. This is what they do in Sweden too. I know because
Alf's daughter Ann is an OBGYN, and her husband, Thorsten, is a surgeon.........

** Page 272. Section 1145: Cancer hospital will ration care according to the patient's age.

** Page 317 and 321: The government will impose a prohibition on hospital expansion;
however, communities may petition for an exception.

** Page 425, line 4-12: The government mandates advance-care planning consultations.
Those on Social Security will be required to attend an "end-of-life planning" seminar every
five years. (Death counseling)

** Page 429, line 13-25: The government will specify which doctors can write an end-of-
life order.

HAD ENOUGH???? Judge Kithil then goes on to identify:

"Finally, it is specifically stated that this bill will not apply to members of Congress.

No wonder they did not see the need to read it....doesn't apply to them!!!

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE NEED TO STAND UP TO WASHINGTON NOW! THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!

Honorable David Kithil of Marble Falls, Texas

All of the above should give you the ammo you need to oppose Obamacare. Please send
this information on to all of your email contacts.
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Yes, he's been a hypocrite regarding the debt.

But that has little to do with whats happening right now. The bill that is being held hostage is a routine spending bill, not to raise the debt ceiling. Also, he did not say "I don't want to raise the debt ceiling, but I will if you let me put my own pet cause on it as well."
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Yes, he's been a hypocrite regarding the debt.

But that has little to do with whats happening right now. The bill that is being held hostage is a routine spending bill, not to raise the debt ceiling. Also, he did not say "I don't want to raise the debt ceiling, but I will if you let me put my own pet cause on it as well."
But he has raised it twice already, and he has pushed though a law that costs the government even more.
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Old October 2nd, 2013, 08:43 PM   #247
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This is copied and pasted from another board that I'm a member of. I have NOT tried to verify it but it sounds about right considering the direction of the feds as of late.

This is the second Judge to have read the Obama Care document and made comments.
More highlights of Nancy’s, "Pass it and Then find out what's in the bill"! Show this to
everyone nearing the ripe old age of 76. These are just a few of the things that we seniors
are going to have to deal with starting in 2014. Even far left Democrats will not like these.
MEDICARE AT AGE 76 IMPORTANT PLEASE READ - ANYONE WHO DOUBTS THIS IS TRUE
CAN DOWNLOAD THE NEW OBAMA CARE AND LOOK UP THE PAGES MENTIONED. THIS IS
JUST THE BEGINNING. PLEASE PASS THIS OUTRAGE TO EVERYONE ON YOUR LIST!!! THIS
should be read by everyone, especially important to those over 75....... If you are younger,
then it may apply to your parents....

Your hospital Medicare admittance has just changed under Obama Care. You must be
admitted by your primary Physician in order for Medicare to pay for it! If you are admitted
by an emergency room doctor it is treated as outpatient care where hospital costs are
not covered. This is only the tip of the iceberg for Obama Care. Just wait to see what
happen in this year and 2014!

YOU ARE NOT GOING TO LIKE THIS... At age 76 when you most need it most, you are not
eligible for cancer treatment * see page 272 What Nancy Pelosi didn't want us to know
until after the healthcare bill was passed. Remember she said, "We have to pass the Bill
so that we can see what's in it." Well, here it is.

Obama Care Highlighted by Page Number THE CARE BILL HB 3200 JUDGE KITHIL IS THE
2ND OFFICIAL WHO HAS OUTLINED THESE PARTS OF THE CARE BILL.

Judge Kithil of Marble Falls, TX - highlighted the most egregious pages of HB3200 Please
read this....... especially the reference to pages 58 & 59

JUDGE KITHIL wrote:
** Page 50/section 152: The bill will provide insurance to all non-U.S. residents, even if
they are here illegally.

** Page 58 and 59: The government will have real-time access to an individual's bank
account and will have the authority to make electronic fund transfers from those accounts.

** Page 65/section 164: The plan will be subsidized (by the government) for all union
members, union retirees and for community organizations (such as the Association of
Community Organizations for Reform Now - ACORN).

** Page 203/line 14-15: The tax imposed under this section will not be treated as a tax.
(How could anybody in their right mind come up with that?)

** Page 241 and 253: Doctors will all be paid the same regardless of specialty, and the
government will set all doctors' fees. This is what they do in Sweden too. I know because
Alf's daughter Ann is an OBGYN, and her husband, Thorsten, is a surgeon.........

** Page 272. Section 1145: Cancer hospital will ration care according to the patient's age.

** Page 317 and 321: The government will impose a prohibition on hospital expansion;
however, communities may petition for an exception.

** Page 425, line 4-12: The government mandates advance-care planning consultations.
Those on Social Security will be required to attend an "end-of-life planning" seminar every
five years. (Death counseling)

** Page 429, line 13-25: The government will specify which doctors can write an end-of-
life order.

HAD ENOUGH???? Judge Kithil then goes on to identify:

"Finally, it is specifically stated that this bill will not apply to members of Congress.

No wonder they did not see the need to read it....doesn't apply to them!!!

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE NEED TO STAND UP TO WASHINGTON NOW! THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!

Honorable David Kithil of Marble Falls, Texas

All of the above should give you the ammo you need to oppose Obamacare. Please send
this information on to all of your email contacts.
I have tried, and have yet to find a version of the bill that has any of those things on those page numbers.

Here are 3 versions I've looked at:

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-1...1hr3590enr.pdf

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-11...111publ148.pdf

http://www.hhs.gov/healthcare/rights...protection.pdf

If someone finds it, please post a link.
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But he has raised it twice already, and he has pushed though a law that costs the government even more.
Yep.

I still fail to see what that has to do with what is happening now.
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Old October 2nd, 2013, 09:16 PM   #249
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I have tried, and have yet to find a version of the bill that has any of those things on those page numbers.

If someone finds it, please post a link.
I seen that on facebook earlier. I can't find it either. Someone told me(don't know how true it is) that those parts were in the original 3,000 pg version, and have been amended out.
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You believe the legislative process was effective to begin with?

The whole damn government HAS been an embarrassment.

I get it... Congress' job is to make laws. The problem is that no one in congress seems to be asking the questions of "Does the public want this law? Do we actually need this law? Should we get involved in this with new laws?"

Just because you can doesn't mean you should. This is why our tax code is absolutely INSANE and things have grown so out of control.
No, but I think this is a point at which the slippery slope towards complete dysfunction becomes steeper and harder to stop.
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Congress is like an old NES game cartridge. It takes a lot of hot air to get it working sometimes, and even then, it still sucks.

It's going to be time to hit the reset button soon.
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http://twitchy.com/2013/10/03/screwe...ne-number-pic/

This can't be true...........could it?

Somebody do some research, I won't have time until I get home.
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This can't be true...........could it?

Somebody do some research, I won't have time until I get home.
It's true, that is the number.
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Don't you work for Chrysler? If not, stop reading. If so.. Fucking seriously.. This is what they do with out bail out dollars?

Curious, what does this have to do with working for Chrysler or the Loan Guarantees that were paid back?
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This is what we are in for IF we refuse to sign up for healthcare. Are we ok with this?

http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines...-bank-accounts
If there is truth to this, wow, some people that were hoping this was going to be their free hand out are in for a horrible surprise.
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I seen that on facebook earlier. I can't find it either. Someone told me(don't know how true it is) that those parts were in the original 3,000 pg version, and have been amended out.
This was a chain email during the debate over the bill. The bill was about 2000 pages, which is condensed to the font and spacing of a normal paperback would probably be about 300 pages.

I spent some time over a couple of weeks going to each and every one of the pages looking at what was said in the actual bill on the Congressional website. This list is complete bullshit.

Read the law yourself, it really is not that long, may be a little dry for the average person, but not that long.
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If there is truth to this, wow, some people that were hoping this was going to be their free hand out are in for a horrible surprise.
associated with infowars, so a large grain of salt is required.
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If it's a tax, the IRS can easily put a lien on your house for non payment.
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