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Old October 2nd, 2013, 08:30 AM   #221
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If the senate exempt themselves there must be a reason why. If this new healthcare program is so good for Americans then why are they not part of the program?
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Old October 2nd, 2013, 08:38 AM   #222
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They don't need to budge because they have the upper hand. It's now a waiting game and the GOP will cave & the dems & obie will have gotten their way.
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Old October 2nd, 2013, 08:44 AM   #223
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Unfortunately it will be blamed on the . Because that is who the media will place all the blame.
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This is not a government shutdown, it's a Republican shutdown. What a joke.

I would rather go without health insurance than get on the obamacare train. I just can't get past the fact that if I choose not to have health care, or don't have it because I can't afford it, I still get taxed. Why should I have to give up good healthcare that I work hard for just so everybody else can have a lesser quality / more expensive healthcare? That's wrong on so many levels. I work hard for what I have, and Obama want's to basically spread the wealth so everybody can have a small share of what I work hard for, when they do nothing, and will continue to do nothing.

I saw a bumper sticker, and I am almost tempted to buy it. "Why earn it? Vote Democrat!"

This is socialism at it's best. For those of you that don't see it that way, open your eyes and think for yourself. Nobody got anywhere in life by not doing anything, but Obama and the liberals want to change that.
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Unfortunately it will be blamed on the . Because that is who the media will place all the blame.
It's a republican invented crisis.
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Old October 2nd, 2013, 09:27 AM   #226
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I thought this universal healthcare started with Obama and the , and the Republicans are trying to stop it
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Not so much.

The House of Representatives has been flooded constantly by their constituents demanding action on Obamacare thanks to the negative impact it's already having on their lives. They (for once) are listening to the people they represent and are trying to do something about it.

They have presented multiple options to the Democrats to resolve this issue. The Democrats are absolutely refusing to even negotiate. They are demanding their way or the highway and if they don't get their way it's 100% the Republicans fault.

If the Democrats were willing to actually work with Republicans in any way the government wouldn't be partially shut down right now. THEY are the ones that have created this crisis by refusing to negotiate with their counterparts.
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Not so much.

The House of Representatives has been flooded constantly by their constituents demanding action on Obamacare thanks to the negative impact it's already having on their lives. They (for once) are listening to the people they represent and are trying to do something about it.

They have presented multiple options to the Democrats to resolve this issue. The Democrats are absolutely refusing to even negotiate. They are demanding their way or the highway and if they don't get their way it's 100% the Republicans fault.

If the Democrats were willing to actually work with Republicans in any way the government wouldn't be partially shut down right now. THEY are the ones that have created this crisis by refusing to negotiate with their counterparts.
The spending bill has nothing to do with Obamacare. The only reason they are connected is because the Republican are insisting that they won't pass the spending bill without somehow dinging Obamacare in the process. This is all about the Republicans trying to score political points.
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The spending bill has nothing to do with Obamacare. The only reason they are connected is because the Republican are insisting that they won't pass the spending bill without somehow dinging Obamacare in the process. This is all about the Republicans trying to score political points.
Trying to score political points? You mean do what their constituents are demanding? That's their JOB.
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Trying to score political points? You mean do what their constituents are demanding? That's their JOB.
And the President and other are doing theirs.

So here we sit with nothing happening.

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I did hear an interesting story on NPR last Friday. There was a panel of Obamacare experts, and the one gentleman, who travels the country to educate on Obamacare (as an agent of the US gov). said that he understands what Cruz is doing because a majority of Texas is fearful of the impact of Obamacare, and Cruz was elected into office by his constituency specifically to hear and defend their position to limit implementation of Obamacare. Remember, laws are passed by Congress, but implemented by the executive branch, and the people's voice should be considered in both phases. I'll see if I can find a link to the story.
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Old October 2nd, 2013, 11:25 AM   #232
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I did hear an interesting story on NPR last Friday. There was a panel of Obamacare experts, and the one gentleman, who travels the country to educate on Obamacare (as an agent of the US gov). said that he understands what Cruz is doing because a majority of Texas is fearful of the impact of Obamacare, and Cruz was elected into office by his constituency specifically to hear and defend their position to limit implementation of Obamacare. Remember, laws are passed by Congress, but implemented by the executive branch, and the people's voice should be considered in both phases. I'll see if I can find a link to the story.
The and the President were also elected.
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Agreed. But this is why there is a debate. There are very polar views by Americans and each elected official is representing the position of their respective constituency.
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Really, for me this is less about Obamacare and more about respect for the legislative process. If the main subject of the bill in question was Obamacare, I would say fine, lets talk about it. But it's not. The bill is a routine spending bill to keep the government funded.

If the get there way I see a dangerous precedent being set. What it says is that every bill, no matter how routine, important, or necessary to the running of the country is free game to hang your pet issue on. Don't worry about how much damage to the country could result or who gets hurt by it.

Also, it means that nothing is ever actually decided. Any law passed by previous congresses is free game to by changed by holding an important bill hostage by attaching your changes to it.

I don't see how our legislative process can be effective if this type of thing becomes an accepted practice.
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I don't see how our legislative process can be effective if this type of thing becomes an accepted practice.
You believe the legislative process was effective to begin with?

The whole damn government HAS been an embarrassment.

I get it... Congress' job is to make laws. The problem is that no one in congress seems to be asking the questions of "Does the public want this law? Do we actually need this law? Should we get involved in this with new laws?"

Just because you can doesn't mean you should. This is why our tax code is absolutely INSANE and things have grown so out of control.
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I would like to see proof of who is saving money with this plan..
My health care costs went up 35% a month and my deductible had to go from $2000.00 to $3500.00 to keep the increase that low. How is this more affordable ?
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Is funding for Obamacare in the spending bill that is in question. Isn't that part of the budget?
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No, I believe that it is separately funded.
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No, that spending has already been approved by congress.
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