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Old September 24th, 2013, 11:58 AM   #1
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Past time for me to Move on from my 2001 WJ as a daily driver. I still love it, but need something newer with some different features.

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1) SUV
2) 4 wheel drive
3) 3 Rows of seats
4) Decent towing capacity, needs to be able to pull trailer with another jeep on it.
5) Not have horrid gas mileage.
6) be 2-3 years old

I like the looks and features of the Toyota 4runner, and thats currently the way i'm leaning.

The Toyota Sequoia would be perfect, except i think the gas mileage would kill me when i have to commute the 55 miles each way to the city.

Not after something huge.

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I think my vote would be 4Runner with the v8. Not crazy about Tahoe/Yukon but it fits the bill too.
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I can't say much about the Toyotas as I've never driven one. I have driven and been in a lot of tahoes both current body style and the 99-07 they have all towed well, had a decent ride, maintained decent mileage, and have been low maintenance.
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Tahoe/Yukon. They hold their value well, are great to drive, and can easily get 20-22 on the freeway. Mixed driving, my wife averages around 16-18. Get a 2009 or newer in order to get the six speed transmission.
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Tahoe/Yukon. They hold their value well, are great to drive, and can easily get 20-22 on the freeway. Mixed driving, my wife averages around 16-18. Get a 2009 or newer in order to get the six speed transmission.
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And, then get the TSB done for oil consumption (if you get a 5.3) and have them reprogram your transmission so it stops shifting so goofy.
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And, then get the TSB done for oil consumption (if you get a 5.3) and have them reprogram your transmission so it stops shifting so goofy.
GM will only start doing the oil consumption study if you're burning more than a quart every 1,000 miles. At least that's how it was on my '09 CTS. So far my wife's doesn't burn any oil. It's always full and oil changes take place around the 6,000 mile mark.
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GM will only start doing the oil consumption study if you're burning more than a quart every 1,000 miles. At least that's how it was on my '09 CTS. So far my wife's doesn't burn any oil. It's always full and oil changes take place around the 6,000 mile mark.
I'd still keep an eye on it and have it completed. My truck was 4 quarts low after a 1500 mile trip recently. Oil topped off before i went on the trip.
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I'd still keep an eye on it and have it completed. My truck was 4 quarts low after a 1500 mile trip recently. Oil topped off before i went on the trip.
I do, never been below the full mark yet.

That's pretty nuts for it to start eating that much oil out of nowhere.
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I like my wife's Durango - but if I was doing it over again I would spring for the extra $$ to get the Hemi. Same sucky fuel economy, but a lot better towing capacity. Actually, if I was doing it over again I would go the Tahoe/Suburban, my boss gets better gas mileage in a bigger vehicle.
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I do, never been below the full mark yet.

That's pretty nuts for it to start eating that much oil out of nowhere.
40-60k mark seems to be fairly common for it to start according to my google searches when it happened to my truck. How many miles is on your truck and is it a 5.3?
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40-60k mark seems to be fairly common for it to start according to my google searches when it happened to my truck. How many miles is on your truck and is it a 5.3?
38,XXX, and it is a 5.3. It's a 2011, not sure if it affects certain years or not.

For the life of me I can't understand why oil consumption has become such an issue in all vehicles from all manufacturers. The only thing I can think of is that they keep pushing tolerances to for less friction in the engine which opens it up for oil.
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38,XXX, and it is a 5.3. It's a 2011, not sure if it affects certain years or not.

For the life of me I can't understand why oil consumption has become such an issue in all vehicles from all manufacturers. The only thing I can think of is that they keep pushing tolerances to for less friction in the engine which opens it up for oil.
To derail sandals thread even further....they told me yesterday at the dealer to stop using Mobil 1 synthetic and start using the AC Delco synthetic blend recommended by GM and it should consume less.

I was told that the rings get jammed up in the pistons and the crankshaft splashes oil up into the cylinders and it gets vacuumed up and by the rings.....so they put some sort of deflecter in there to keep that from happening...I dunno.

But yes, it's not just a GM thing, my focus used a fair amount of oil, I've read about lots of JK's using, etc.

Anyway, all that said I would still agree with you that the yukon/tahoe would be my suggestion to Sandals. Better mileage than a sequoia with the same space...in fact better mileage than his WJ used to get. Better vehicle for towing than the 4 runner.
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To derail sandals thread even further....they told me yesterday at the dealer to stop using Mobil 1 synthetic and start using the AC Delco synthetic blend recommended by GM and it should consume less.

I was told that the rings get jammed up in the pistons and the crankshaft splashes oil up into the cylinders and it gets vacuumed up and by the rings.....so they put some sort of deflecter in there to keep that from happening...I dunno.

But yes, it's not just a GM thing, my focus used a fair amount of oil, I've read about lots of JK's using, etc.

Anyway, all that said I would still agree with you that the yukon/tahoe would be my suggestion to Sandals. Better mileage than a sequoia with the same space...in fact better mileage than his WJ used to get. Better vehicle for towing than the 4 runner.
Shit for the price difference in oil, I'll keep using Mobil 1. Even if it does use a couple of quarts its cheaper than Delco oil.
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Shit for the price difference in oil, I'll keep using Mobil 1. Even if it does use a couple of quarts its cheaper than Delco oil.
I have a certified used vehicle. The AC Delco oil changes are free. I have to pay extra to get the mobil one, i'll be switching back to the freebies for the next two years at the recommendation of the dealer.

Greaseturd, in my googling it seems to be the flex fuel aluminum blocked vehicles with AFM that seem to have the biggest oil consumption issue. Not sure if it was fixed or not by 2011.
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I have a certified used vehicle. The AC Delco oil changes are free. I have to pay extra to get the mobil one, i'll be switching back to the freebies for the next two years at the recommendation of the dealer.

Greaseturd, in my googling it seems to be the flex fuel aluminum blocked vehicles with AFM that seem to have the biggest oil consumption issue. Not sure if it was fixed or not by 2011.
This is good info! I have a 2009 xfe gmc Serria 1500 with the aluminum 5.3. So far no oil consumption. And Sandals for fucks sake don't buy a Toyota. I like you and want your brakes to work and your throttle not to stick!
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I have a certified used vehicle. The AC Delco oil changes are free. I have to pay extra to get the mobil one, i'll be switching back to the freebies for the next two years at the recommendation of the dealer.

Greaseturd, in my googling it seems to be the flex fuel aluminum blocked vehicles with AFM that seem to have the biggest oil consumption issue. Not sure if it was fixed or not by 2011.
My mom has a 2007 Suburban with the 5.3l aluminum block. It is not a flex fuel. I believe GM started that in 2008. It would lose about a quart every 1k miles. Had it in the dealership 2 or 3 times to get this problem resolved. I don't quite know what they did, but t's fixed. My grandpa has an 08' Yukon, 5.3l Al block, and he had the same issues. They replaced the whole lower half of the motor. That resolved his issue.

We also have had problems with the driveline. On a slow acceleration, a nice clunk came from underneath. I believe it had something to do with the transfer case. We had that fixed a couple times. It's not 100%, but it's a lot better than it used to be.

It gets about 17 city / 21-22 highway. Nice ride. Back seats are a little to high. I'm 6'4" and it can get uncomfortable. I can't wear my hat because the bill hits the roof

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My mom has a 2007 Suburban with the 5.3l aluminum block. It is not a flex fuel. I believe GM started that in 2008. It would lose about a quart every 1k miles. Had it in the dealership 2 or 3 times to get this problem resolved. I don't quite know what they did, but t's fixed. My grandpa has an 08' Yukon, 5.3l Al block, and he had the same issues. They replaced the whole lower half of the motor. That resolved his issue.

We also have had problems with the driveline. On a slow acceleration, a nice clunk came from underneath. I believe it had something to do with the transfer case. We had that fixed a couple times. It's not 100%, but it's a lot better than it used to be.

It gets about 17 city / 21-22 highway. Nice ride. Back seats are a little to high. I'm 6'4" and it can get uncomfortable. I can't wear my hat because the bill hits the roof

Food for thought.
might as well move this thread to the chevy tech forum now

My back seats aren't too bad, but in the truck I think the backseat is actually lower than the tahoe/yukon with the "stadium" seating. The third row sucks for certain, but is fine for kids.

The clunk under gentle acceleration is the slip yoke, there is a TSB for that as well. Mine was fixed right after I bought the truck too.

The 6 speed still shifts a bit clunky, but I have been told at every oil change that my trans acts no different than any other and the clunkiness is not a durability issue long term, so I just deal with it and complain at each oil change just in case it does fail at some point.


My 2007 with AFM was a 4 speed and the trans was like any other 1500 up until that point, I don't know if my truck was an aluminum block or not, and I never had an oil consumption issue but I sold that truck with only 42k on it.
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Alright, enough kidding around. The Tahoe makes sense unless you have half a dozen kids. If not under warranty, toss a wind age scraper in it to keep the oil in the pan.
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Not sure it would help you guys on oil usage as it sounds like a design issue with the motors themselves but have any of you tried the Rotella T-6 5W-40 synthetic? I use to use Mobil 1 Syn. and had many issues with oil usage. I switched to Amsoil and usage was less. I tried the Rotella and never had an issue after that.

I do like the Tahoes but they are fairly pricey but what isn't.
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