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Old September 20th, 2013, 10:33 AM   #1
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I am setting up a 700r4 transmission for a vehicle that will be street driven but it's primary purpose will be drag racing. I understand that a reverse valve body will also make the transmission "brainless". I'm looking for thoughts and opinions on this. Also, recomendations on a quality drag racing automatic shifter would be nice.
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Old September 20th, 2013, 10:49 AM   #2
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There really isn't any correct answer for this. Neither is stronger than the other. Some like forward because when they launch, your hand won't accidentally shift it. I personally have never done this. Some like reverse so you aren't slamming toward neutral or reverse gear...not that you could get there if the shifter is properly gated anyway.

Don't buy into the "it's easier to pull vs push" BS. A properly positioned shifter will not be any harder to push or pull.

As for shifters...I have used several over the years and like the Hurst Quarter stick the best combined with the reverse VB for drag purposes. Never ran a 4 speed so not sure if they have it for the 700.
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Old September 20th, 2013, 10:54 AM   #3
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I personally don't like an automatic that you have to shift manually.
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Old September 20th, 2013, 10:59 AM   #4
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I personally don't like an automatic that you have to shift manually.
Not for the street but for drag they work pretty good. And Nuggets is gonna be the Queen of drag.
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I had my 700R4 done with a reverse valve body, but I haven't driven on it yet. For me, the decision on a manual valve body had to do mainly with the throttle by wire setup I was running and not wanting to mess with the TV cable.

I have a winters/art carr shifter with the correct RMVB shift gate plate.
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Old September 20th, 2013, 12:16 PM   #6
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I use a B&M light truck mega shifter with my 4L60E and it works great. I need a shift kit tho because it wont hold 1st gear for long enough. But its normal when driving, then all I have to do it click it back to downshift, and click back forward to upshift. Its pretty damn comfortable I feel..
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Not for the street but for drag they work pretty good. And Nuggets is gonna be the Queen of drag.
I've put my Honda project on the back burner for now because I don't like how the frame turned out. I've gained some skills since the original build so now I plan a do over. The V8 is coming out and I'm going to install a Mazda 13b rotary with turbo up front where God intended. Before I do that, I am building a 1983 Mercury Lynx station wagon as a sleeper project. I was going to put the rotary in it but I've decided to have even more fun. I will be placing an L67 supercharged Buick V6 up front and converting the car to rwd. I plan on leaving the wheels and rims stock and allowing the petina of years of neglect and exposure remain. Yes, I realize it's a dumb project, it's what I do.
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Old September 20th, 2013, 04:45 PM   #8
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I've put my Honda project on the back burner for now because I don't like how the frame turned out. I've gained some skills since the original build so now I plan a do over. The V8 is coming out and I'm going to install a Mazda 13b rotary with turbo up front where God intended. Before I do that, I am building a 1983 Mercury Lynx station wagon as a sleeper project. I was going to put the rotary in it but I've decided to have even more fun. I will be placing an L67 supercharged Buick V6 up front and converting the car to rwd. I plan on leaving the wheels and rims stock and allowing the petina of years of neglect and exposure remain. Yes, I realize it's a dumb project, it's what I do.
Your going to get a few "deer in the headlights" looks with the lynx... very nice
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OMG. The car gods are even going to give him the deer look. LOL. I love the idea of the rotary project though. I haven't had a rx7 in a long time but that was a fast and fun car. I had several 1st gens and a 3rd gen.
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OMG. The car gods are even going to give him the deer look. LOL. I love the idea of the rotary project though. I haven't had a rx7 in a long time but that was a fast and fun car. I had several 1st gens and a 3rd gen.
I've always wanted to fart around with a rotary so I bought one. I need to rebuild the one I've got but it's not a big deal. I can get the Lynx done in far less time than the Honda because I am not starting from zero. A little sheet metal grafting, a few brackets, some wiring = retarded POS that goes fast.

One last thing, I plan on a pretty heavy street port for the 13b so it should be fun once it comes back to life.
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I personally like a reverse valve body for drag racing. And as far as shifters go I like the cheetah by turbo action. I'm kinda hard on shifters and this is the only shifter I have not broke this one is three years old now. I don't like the cheap Thin metal of the pro sticks and quarter sticks. I was breaking them about every three weekends.
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I personally like a reverse valve body for drag racing. And as far as shifters go I like the cheetah by turbo action. I'm kinda hard on shifters and this is the only shifter I have not broke this one is three years old now. I don't like the cheap Thin metal of the pro sticks and quarter sticks. I was breaking them about every three weekends.
Nice units but they don't make one for a 4sp auto.
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Nice units but they don't make one for a 4sp auto.
Didn't know that. I now have zero input of good use.
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Didn't know that. I now have zero input of good use.
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700r4? go th350. I ran a 700 in my drag car for a few years, and twice a year I would have to pull it apart and replace the 3-4 clutch. modified the drum, tried different clutches, different clutch clearance. no luck. went to a th350, and no problems. even picked up a couple tenths. 700's suck up a lot of power.
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700r4? go th350. I ran a 700 in my drag car for a few years, and twice a year I would have to pull it apart and replace the 3-4 clutch. modified the drum, tried different clutches, different clutch clearance. no luck. went to a th350, and no problems. even picked up a couple tenths. 700's suck up a lot of power.
I'm using the 700r4 because the the 13" tires and gearing of the car. The overdrive will help make it more streetable.
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ok. good luck man.
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I personally like a reverse valve body for drag racing. And as far as shifters go I like the cheetah by turbo action. I'm kinda hard on shifters and this is the only shifter I have not broke this one is three years old now. I don't like the cheap Thin metal of the pro sticks and quarter sticks. I was breaking them about every three weekends.
How were they breaking, and what exactly were you doing to break them?
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