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Old September 18th, 2013, 11:48 PM   #41
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On second thought I recommend you become a teacher in Michigan. You can make 108% of the state median income in the range of $74,362 - $85,725 for 10 months of work, paid for by the rest of the state tax-payers that has seen a 20-30% decrease in income over the past 5 years. It's a sweet deal, almost like they work for the government.

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The only teachers making that are well into their career with a masters degree. You're an idiot if you thing teachers are rich and pulling one over on the system. Fawk the starting salary for a teacher in MI is under 35k http://www.nea.org/home/2011-2012-av...er-salary.html
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I'm glad your can read, it pretty clearly says the average for non charter school teachers is about $63000, which in my opinion seems pretty fair
Which is 150% of what a charter school teacher gets paid.

Don't forget that teachers in public schools also get excellent health benefits and very generous pension system. This pushes the average total compensation closer to $100,000 per school year.

Teachers are grossly overpaid, especially for the poor job that they do.
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Which is 150% of what a charter school teacher gets paid.

Don't forget that teachers in public schools also get excellent health benefits and very generous pension system. This pushes the average total compensation closer to $100,000 per school year.

Teachers are grossly overpaid, especially for the poor job that they do.
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Yes, starting salary in not the greatest, but you move up fast. In no time you move up to the top range and end up making the equivalent of $100,000 a year plus another $50,000 in benefits.
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There is no "equivalent" either your salary is $100k or it's not. By that logic we ought to be inflating everyone's salary who has health benefits. I'm not saying I agree with a six figure salary for a teacher, but I can think of other professions that make that much and deserve it less
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There is no "equivalent" either your salary is $100k or it's not. By that logic we ought to be inflating everyone's salary who has health benefits. I'm not saying I agree with a six figure salary for a teacher, but I can think of other professions that make that much and deserve it less
If a teacher makes $80k per school year, that is for 9 months of work, then the annual equivalent is over $100k, then you add benefits on top of that.
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If a teacher makes $80k per school year, that is for 9 months of work, then the annual equivalent is over $100k, then you add benefits on top of that.
No it's not. If they make $80k in 9 months that's there annual salary. They can opt to take that payment over 12 months too, what does that equate to?
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If a teacher makes $80k per school year, that is for 9 months of work, then the annual equivalent is over $100k, then you add benefits on top of that.
That's like saying an hourly worker's annual equivalent is 3x as much because they only get paid for an 8 hour workday
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That's like saying an hourly worker's annual equivalent is 3x as much because they only get paid for an 8 hour workday
No, it's not, unless you're retarded. How else are you supposed to calculate an annual average?

If you don't like the annual average calculation, we can convert everyone's salary to a 9 month total and then compare them.
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No it's not. If they make $80k in 9 months that's there annual salary. They can opt to take that payment over 12 months too, what does that equate to?
They can also opt to teach during summer for extra income, what does that equate to?

You can't compare a person's income over 9 months to someone who works 12 months. You have to find a common denominator. You can either inflate the 9 month to an annual average or deflate the 12 month to a 9 month total.

Otherwise you are comparing apples and oranges.
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No, it's not, unless you're retarded. How else are you supposed to calculate an annual average?

If you don't like the annual average calculation, we can convert everyone's salary to a 9 month total and then compare them.
Because teachers start at 730am and don't have any work left to do at 2:30pm? I don't know anyone that tries to "correct" a salary for a job that works an irregular schedule.
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Old September 19th, 2013, 01:40 AM   #52
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most of the people I know that are teachers from 0-5 years experience make between 32k-42k a year.....And most of them work there ass off. The only people making $75-$80k are teachers that have been working 10-15 years with a masters degree. Most teachers work 50-60 hours a week given the requirements the school systems have put on them. Many of my friends are working 8 hours on saturday and a few hours every sunday just stay above the water. IMHO teachers should make $100k a year considering they are teaching our kids. Im not a teacher, nor any close family members....but I highly respect what they do. To claim they are overpaid is not true.
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No, it's not, unless you're retarded. How else are you supposed to calculate an annual average?

If you don't like the annual average calculation, we can convert everyone's salary to a 9 month total and then compare them.
So let's say a teacher makes 50k for 9 months and 0 for the other 3. Does that still average 65k? If so, I hope you don't work anywhere that requires you to think... McDonald's is a good job for you. Now if you say that teacher makes another 15k in the off-season, then yes, it's 65k. You can't make an average annual salary unless you factor in more than year. During that 9 month period, you are correct about the 65k equivalent, but then there is 3 months of no income. That does not raise their income, unless they get another job .
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Schools "used to" have great benefits. My wife's benefits are almost exactly what my employer benefits are. We have a $4000 deductible and copays just like everyone else.
Yes, the hours are nice on the surface but don't forget the countless hours of home prep and evenings that are required. Just because your kids are out of school now and then during the school year doesn't mean the teachers aren't at work. My wife has evening phone calls and emails that are part of the job.

Yes, teaching is a pretty good gig but that's why people spend 6 years in college to prep for it. Not to mention the required continuing education requirements.
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They can also opt to teach during summer for extra income, what does that equate to?

You can't compare a person's income over 9 months to someone who works 12 months. You have to find a common denominator. You can either inflate the 9 month to an annual average or deflate the 12 month to a 9 month total.

Otherwise you are comparing apples and oranges.
A teachers salary is listed at the job opening on the contract as XX-amount of dollars per year. They do not then subtract 3 months wages and write the contract up. It is yearly, whether they collect that amount within 9 months or opt for equal salary payments over the course of a calendar year. I bet if you knew a teacher your opinion would change.

On the other hand, I wonder how great you are at your job, but others doing the same thing will never be as good as you? Your arrogance permeates most of your posts. I'd be fine if you took another long vacation from GL4x4.
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I'm glad your can read, it pretty clearly says the average for non charter school teachers is about $63000, which in my opinion seems pretty fair
And still this individual salary for 10 months of labor is well above the state median HOUSEHOLD income of $48,669; which in most cases reflects 12 months of labor, not 10 months.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/26000.html

But back to the original point; I was not arguing that teachers are overpaid, I was comparing mymizzery who was paid income by my taxes for a period that he did not work, which is similar to teachers who are paid a hansom salary by my taxes for a period that they do not work. This has nothing to do with the original thread and so this is the last I will comment; however I am a little pissed at mymizzery who comes here to gloat that he screwed the system out of money, when "the system" is paid by my taxes.

I work my ass off for my money. You want a cut of my money to pay your salary, I expect that you will work at least 12 months for it. I'm not advocating 12 months of class, but perhaps they could spend June, July and August improving the school buildings and having department meetings to improve the curriculum rather than going on luxurious vacations and posting pictures all over FB.
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They can also opt to teach during summer for extra income, what does that equate to?

You can't compare a person's income over 9 months to someone who works 12 months. You have to find a common denominator. You can either inflate the 9 month to an annual average or deflate the 12 month to a 9 month total.

Otherwise you are comparing apples and oranges.
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And still this individual salary for 10 months of labor is well above the state median HOUSEHOLD income of $48,669; which in most cases reflects 12 months of labor, not 10 months.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/26000.html

But back to the original point; I was not arguing that teachers are overpaid, I was comparing mymizzery who was paid income by my taxes for a period that he did not work, which is similar to teachers who are paid a hansom salary by my taxes for a period that they do not work. This has nothing to do with the original thread and so this is the last I will comment; however I am a little pissed at mymizzery who comes here to gloat that he screwed the system out of money, when "the system" is paid by my taxes.

I work my ass off for my money. You want a cut of my money to pay your salary, I expect that you will work at least 12 months for it. I'm not advocating 12 months of class, but perhaps they could spend June, July and August improving the school buildings and having department meetings to improve the curriculum rather than going on luxurious vacations and posting pictures all over FB.
What is the median income for a family with a masters degree? I think it might be a tad higher than $48K.
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