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Old September 15th, 2013, 04:49 PM   #21
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A check valve by the pump will keep the water from back flushing.
Right. So, if that one is bad, right now, as we speak, his pressure tank is power back flushing his point. That equals sink hole birthing, which is bad. Installing a check valve any where (like in the house, right in front of the pressure tank, which is what it sounds like you were implying) would stop the pressure tank from bleeding down, but the line between the check valve and the pump would still trickle back, and the pump would have to refill the line every time it had to cycle on.

I think you need to pull your pump Aaron. Until you are able to, I would shut the valve between your pressure tank and the pump, when you don't need water.
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Old September 15th, 2013, 05:59 PM   #22
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The pipe will not trickle back unless there is an air break somewhere in the line. In order for the pipe to empty and fill with air, there has to be a way for air to enter it. If the pipe is perforated, then this could happen, but in this case, replacing the current check will not help, he would have to replace the whole pipe. He could replace just the leaky section, but that would require unions in the pipe, which tend to leak. If it's just a leaky check valve, the water will not have a way to trickle out.

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Old September 15th, 2013, 06:14 PM   #23
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I do agree about stopping the flow going back ASAP, if that is where it is actually going. Sink holes are no bueno, especially by your house.
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Old September 15th, 2013, 07:26 PM   #24
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When we bought our house it was short cycling due to low pressure. Hooked up a compressor and added air to the tank. Haven't had a problem since. That was 3 years ago.
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Old September 15th, 2013, 07:35 PM   #25
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There was not a check valve where the line comes in through the wall and then goes to the pressure tank. Every picture I have seen shows one there. I just got done installing one and now it works like it should.
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Did I just fix something that was never done properly in the first place or was that fix just a band aid for a bigger problem?

I'm saying there is no other major problem because nothing acted like there was any broken pipes. No leaks, good pressure, water on demand, no evidence of water where it shouldn't be, etc.
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Old September 15th, 2013, 07:48 PM   #26
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It's hard to answer your question online. It was probably a leaky check valve by the pump. If so, you should be good. If you were leaking pressure through a perforated or cracked pipe, your pipe will trickle back, like Monkey Biz said. One way to check is to time how long it takes to get up to pressure. If it takes a long time to pressure up, the pipe is probably leaking. This is not a certain check though. It would be best to inspect your pipe to be sure. Chances are, you are good to go, but it wouldn't hurt to be certain.
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Old September 15th, 2013, 07:50 PM   #27
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Now you guys have me thinking I should install a check valve
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Old September 15th, 2013, 07:54 PM   #28
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Hancho, if you have a pressure tank, you have a check valve. The only real advantage to having a check valve by the tank is ease if maintenance. It's slightly easier to access things when they are right in your house.
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Old September 15th, 2013, 07:57 PM   #29
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Hancho, if you have a pressure tank, you have a check valve. The only real advantage to having a check valve by the tank is ease if maintenance. It's slightly easier to access things when they are right in your house.
I do at the pump, and every now and then, it leaks backs...I've only noticed it twice, normally it holds pressure
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Old September 15th, 2013, 08:07 PM   #30
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Sounds like it's probably fine.
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Old September 15th, 2013, 10:22 PM   #31
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I'm LOLing at the comments there are more things to check than just a flapper valve.

For Starters:
The buried pipe to the well.
The transition from the buried pipe to the well.
The transition to the pipe inside the well.
The pipe inside the well.
The flapper valve.


My father's well wasn't buried right and was causing water to leak on the outside of the well. It caused us to dig for 2 hours till we could get a hole big enough to fix it. His rental had issues the year before with the O-ring on the brass transition piece inside the well. The well sounded like it had a running fire hose in it.

IMHO Working on a well isn't that hard, just tough and a multi-person job. Pulling a well takes 5 minutes and two people if done right. My father's 77 and we can still pull his 75ft deep well by hand. Its just like any other plumbing job except its in a casing. Good luck.
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Old September 16th, 2013, 08:33 AM   #32
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Typical system is:

Well pump
check valve
drop tube
seal to well casing
pipe from well casing to house
pressure switch
well tank
shut off valve to house plumbing

If you shut off the supply valve from the well tank to the house, and the well still cycles repeatedly, then you have a leak outside the house. Either the check valve is leaking, or the pipes.
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Old September 16th, 2013, 08:34 AM   #33
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Don't add a check valve at the tank as a bandaid. A check valve at the pump is all thats needed, if that isn't working, there's a leak, and adding a second valve just covers it up.
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Old September 16th, 2013, 03:55 PM   #34
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I don't know if this was mentioned or not but my moms well was doing what you described a few weeks back before it finally killed a brand new pump my dad had replaced a few years ago right before he died. What happened was the membrane in the pressure tank failed, I don't know squat about wells so you may have already checked but it's possible your failed too.

New pump and new tank and now she has no problems.

Just a thought.
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Old September 16th, 2013, 04:07 PM   #35
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How does one know if their pump is cycling more than it should?
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Old September 16th, 2013, 04:13 PM   #36
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if the well is running, when you haven't been flowing any water. His was running every 11 min.
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Old September 16th, 2013, 04:23 PM   #37
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I would have to go outside and put my ear on the well head to hear it run I think. It's like way down in a hole. I never hear mine run. That's why I was asking.
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Old September 16th, 2013, 04:28 PM   #38
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His, like mine has the pump down the well. I can't hear it when I'm outside, but I still easily hear mine kick on and off if there is water flowing when I'm inside. He didn't realize it wasn't supposed to do that. It wasn't until a friend of his came over, that he realized it. Silly city boy.
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Old September 16th, 2013, 06:46 PM   #39
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His, like mine has the pump down the well. I can't hear it when I'm outside, but I still easily hear mine kick on and off if there is water flowing when I'm inside. He didn't realize it wasn't supposed to do that. It wasn't until a friend of his came over, that he realized it. Silly city boy.
I thought he was Amish....




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Old September 16th, 2013, 07:51 PM   #40
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I thought he was Amish....




He converted. He has a little black boy that rides a bike in the shed to power the well.
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