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Old September 11th, 2013, 06:51 AM   #21
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Not to mention nearly the entire island of Iceland that's been running on it for decades.

Sure, there are probably some areas in the country where geography and other options make geothermal no better, cost wise, than traditional units, but everybody I know in Michigan who has a geothermal set up would never go back.
You are really going to compare running geothermal in Michigan to Iceland? You do realize that Iceland is basically one giant hot spring don't you?
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Old September 11th, 2013, 06:53 AM   #22
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Dont wast your $$ on Geo! Its all a sales gimmick! Stick to normal HVAC stuff you will never save $$ with geo. I own a HVAC co! Would not sell the stuff its a rip off you are tradeing a gas bill for a electric bill. But if you do go down the path closed loop only. And no I dont go that far but if you need me to look some one good in the area who would love to spend a lot of your $$ let me know!
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Old September 11th, 2013, 07:08 AM   #23
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I was thinking of going this route and had a company give me a quote, He said it would be a closed loop setup and would run me $20,000.
Told him thanks for the bid but it was a little more than I wanted to pay.
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Old September 11th, 2013, 07:20 AM   #24
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My friends have deep well(?) geo thermal.
Swear it's paid for itself. But the funny thing is they have set back there thermostats, house is cold! Closed off parts of the house and heat their large family room with wood fireplace and new insert. They basically stay in the family room, to stay warm.
I challenged them to set thermostat to 70 and open all rooms. They said they can't use the whole house so why heat it all.
I said well you use to, and to be fair in your comparison you need to.
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I'm not saying that Geo thermal isn't better.
Just pointing out that they ( friends) are not comparing their actual heating usage.
Wonder if others are doing the same.
I heat with a wood boiler. I went from wood stove,From propane.
I use 2 times the wood. But my whole house is now heated and pole barn. So I don't compare my usage, or costs.
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Old September 11th, 2013, 07:22 AM   #25
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20-50k quotes is the norm. So I hear.
No f'ing way I will be able to keep up with the Hancho's

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Old September 11th, 2013, 07:25 AM   #26
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Sure it's all a sales gimmic...this is why my father in law has been running it for 35yrs, several other people I know run it and love it...but they must be fucked in the head right?
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My parents have had geo in their house for roughly 10 years and have zero regrets in going for it. They get both heating and cooling out of it and their electricity bills FAR less than what my combine electric and gas are.
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Old September 11th, 2013, 07:28 AM   #27
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Iceland has hot water bubbling out of the ground.
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You are really going to compare running geothermal in Michigan to Iceland? You do realize that Iceland is basically one giant hot spring don't you?
Something tells me you guys don't understand how geo thermal systems for houses work...
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My neighbor had a closed-loop put in 2years ago. They spent $19k and got $7k back in Dte credits and tax incentives. They went from spending an average of $2500/yr on propane to an extra $600/yr on electricity.
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Old September 11th, 2013, 07:33 AM   #29
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Well it is what he does for a living so he might have a bit more knowledge on the subject than a cop and his family/friends. Kinda like all cummins diesels get 35mpg
True, except he offered NO technical advice, just a babble about how it's a gimmick. Maybe if he had said it doesn't pay for itself and here's why, it would be a more tangible comment. And, just because he owns a HVAC company does not mean that he has any experience with geothermal systems. I used to make signs on a CNC wood router. Doesn't mean I know shit about making furniture.
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Old September 11th, 2013, 07:36 AM   #30
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I just built a new house with a closed loop geothermal water to air system. It is about 2400 sq. ft with all electric appliances, hot water heater included, and out highest electric bill was $200 dollars last winter. My previous 1000 sq. ft ranch regularly had a gas bill in the $230 dollar range. My elctric bill the last few months this summer has been between $20 and $50. I plan on living in this home until I die so I am assuming it will pay for itself.
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Old September 11th, 2013, 07:36 AM   #31
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The cost for the units combined with the operating costs certainly seem as if it will take a long time to pay the system off.

On a side note, I'll take all of your outdoor woodburner parts off your hands. Send me the "friend" price.
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Old September 11th, 2013, 07:38 AM   #32
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Something tells me you guys don't understand how geo thermal systems for houses work...
Something tells me you don't know what the climate in Iceland is. They don't really have a whole lot of use for ac there. They also generally use hot water radiant heat from the hot springs to heat their house.
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Old September 11th, 2013, 07:40 AM   #33
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Not that it matters but I am a steamfitter and I have sat through a few classes on geo systems. The average pay back is supposed to be between 8- 10 yrs and with the 30% tax credit it drops to 5 -8 yrs. I believe the closed loop is the most efficient system.
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Old September 11th, 2013, 07:42 AM   #34
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Something tells me you don't know what the climate in Iceland is. They don't really have a whole lot of use for ac there. They also generally use hot water radiant heat from the hot springs to heat their house.
I'll concede that. I didn't realize the context in which WSUJK was making the comparison.

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True, except he offered NO technical advice, just a babble about how it's a gimmick. Maybe if he had said it doesn't pay for itself and here's why, it would be a more tangible comment. And, just because he owns a HVAC company does not mean that he has any experience with geothermal systems. I used to make signs on a CNC wood router. Doesn't mean I know shit about making furniture.
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Old September 11th, 2013, 07:47 AM   #36
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I'll concede that. I didn't realize the context in which WSUJK was making the comparison.

My bad.



I am no genius about geothermal but I understand it. I was just pointing out the fact that wsujk was being a rahtard.
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Old September 11th, 2013, 07:58 AM   #37
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I'll concede that. I didn't realize the context in which WSUJK was making the comparison.

My bad.

I knew it was a specious comparison as I was making but was really just more for the sake of the technology. Yes, Icelanders don't have as much use for the cooling side of the equation, and they don't need to drill anywhere near as deep as we do here but they are using geothermal systems nonetheless.

The point was that the concepts are sound and the technology is tried and true and it is not a "sales gimmick", not that Iceland and Michigan have similar environments or heating/cooling needs.
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The cost for the units combined with the operating costs certainly seem as if it will take a long time to pay the system off.

On a side note, I'll take all of your outdoor woodburner parts off your hands. Send me the "friend" price.
I don't know that I would retrofit a house to geothermal, but if I was building and intended to retire there I probably would go for it. My in-laws did that, and supplement with a basement wood burner that hooks into the HVAC. It's a sweet setup.
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Old September 11th, 2013, 08:32 AM   #39
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I don't know that I would retrofit a house to geothermal, but if I was building and intended to retire there I probably would go for it. My in-laws did that, and supplement with a basement wood burner that hooks into the HVAC. It's a sweet setup.
I would certainly NEVER retrofit an existing house for GeoThermal, espescially 3 seasons after I paid $10k to hook up an outdoor wood burner.

Hancho, I've said it a million times, you have 10 acres, half of which you never even use, go way out back, plant a bunch of hybrid poplars, make a nice trail down the middle, and feed your wood burner for free and stop chasing wood all over the world. The infrastructure is there, just use it to your advantage.

Or, spend $30k on a geothermal unit and pay it off in 15 years of use.
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