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Old August 31st, 2013, 04:26 AM   #21
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They stop like every 7 cars. You can damn near count them going through one of these and know if you are going to be picked. Good chance that's what this hag did before pulling out her camera. Be all yes sir no sir and you will be out of there in less then 5 minutes.
I am so wishing she will just gun it at the 3 minute mark.

It gets really comical at 4 minutes.

"Your holding up traffic."
"No your holding up traffic by pulling me over"
"Miss will you please pull over your holding up traffic."

This hag does not get that it is not simply a immigration checkpoint.

This officer has more self control then most.

Oh ... they got the supervisor out.

I can't believe they did not give her a ticket. I hope she was pushed off in the ditch after the camera was turned off by one of the drivers she held up.
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They stop like every 7 cars. You can damn near count them going through one of these and know if you are going to be picked. Good chance that's what this hag did before pulling out her camera. Be all yes sir no sir and you will be out of there in less then 5 minutes.
I am so wishing she will just gun it at the 3 minute mark.

It gets really comical at 4 minutes.

"Your holding up traffic."
"No your holding up traffic by pulling me over"
"Miss will you please pull over your holding up traffic."

This hag does not get that it is not simply a immigration checkpoint.

This officer has more self control then most.

Oh ... they got the supervisor out.

I can't believe they did not give her a ticket. I hope she was pushed off in the ditch after the camera was turned off by one of the drivers she held up.
You do not get that we are not a stop and ID country where you can be stopped without cause and asked where you are going and why. They had no reason to give her a ticket, she was standing up for her rights.

As I understand it, a cop is not allowed to stop you and ask for ID randomly without cause, which she clearly understood also. I understand that this is an immigration checkpoint but it's bullshit to stop and hassle someone who has a car registered to them and she is obviously not a foreigner.

If they had a reason to ticket her, they would have. Obviously they didn't so it kinda proves her point doesn't it?

Why would you want a person who stands up for their rights to be pushed off in a ditch? That's plain stupid.
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Old August 31st, 2013, 08:28 AM   #23
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You do not get that we are not a stop and ID country where you can be stopped without cause and asked where you are going and why. They had no reason to give her a ticket, she was standing up for her rights.

As I understand it, a cop is not allowed to stop you and ask for ID randomly without cause, which she clearly understood also. I understand that this is an immigration checkpoint but it's bullshit to stop and hassle someone who has a car registered to them and she is obviously not a foreigner.

If they had a reason to ticket her, they would have. Obviously they didn't so it kinda proves her point doesn't it?

Why would you want a person who stands up for their rights to be pushed off in a ditch? That's plain stupid.

That or any cop has the absolute right to ask anyone for their ID, where they are going and what they doing. And that has been supported by the Supreme Court
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Old August 31st, 2013, 08:59 AM   #24
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Id be curious where this is at? I didnt watch the whole video and I dont care to use my limited bandwidth on some hippy chick out pushing her limits out looking for "trouble", or just being annoying.

these guys are doing there job. There are border check points down in texas that are 100 miles from the border or more, and guess what! They stop 100's of illegals a day and only they know how many drugs from entering FARTHER into the US. The people at the border dont catch everything or everyone.

again, not sure what state or checkpoint this was. I also wonder her views. is she the type that thinks we need to let all these poor illegals come in here and give them amnesty and benefits? and is this her way of pushing her view points?

I have no issues with a police officer or border patrol officer stopping me and doing a "quick" check. (to an extent). check my license. run my plate. heck check the trunk, and let your drug dog circle my truck . If all comes back good at that point let me go. All that can be done in a matter of minutes and will not effect my day. (now, if they take it farther than that and are just being ridiculous then I will raise some hell) BUT, guess what, I am not doing anything wrong.

And, I bet MOST of the time if I was checked out the cop would thank me for my service and I would do the same to him.

NOW, I have lived in SOUTH TEXAS for the last 12 years, so maybe I think a little differently than someone that has only lived in ann arbor. I have seen illegals running through the south texas brush while hunting, and have seen there foot tracks (a dozen or so) at 5am crossing our truck tracks in the sand when we had just pulled in at midnight (to the hunting lease). basically a dozen illegals crossed through our lease between 12pm and 5am when we were sleeping in a pop up camper 100 yards away. That is a bit concerning. (we called border patrol)

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That or any cop has the absolute right to ask anyone for their ID, where they are going and what they doing. And that has been supported by the Supreme Court
They have the right to ask, just as they have the right to ask to be able to search your vehicle. But you have the right to say no, or say nothing.
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Old August 31st, 2013, 09:07 AM   #26
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They have the right to ask, just as they have the right to ask to be able to search your vehicle. But you have the right to say no, or say nothing.
Partly true, you don't always have the right to say no or nothing at all, such as a police officer asking you for your ID while you are in your car on a valid stop, you don't have the right to ignore that request, you must furnish ID or you could be arrested...that is just one example but there are many where any citizen must comply with the lawful order or request
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Standard response to this should always be:

Kick the cop in the junk and take his cop car so he can't chase you!
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These are integration check points. It's a major pain in the ass down there and it stops little to no illegals. This isn't Nazi Germany we do not have to randomly show out papers. These are not traffic stops. Notice he says he has to call the police to give her a ticket. He can't do shit with traffic violations. You DO NOT have to show your ID or answer the communist officers at these check points. They use a web of words to scare people into gi IMF up their rights. I say all these officer are cowardly fucks and should suck start shotguns. I can't imagine whoring myself out to the government and violating citizens like this.
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Partly true, you don't always have the right to say no or nothing at all, such as a police officer asking you for your ID while you are in your car on a valid stop, you don't have the right to ignore that request, you must furnish ID or you could be arrested...that is just one example but there are many where any citizen must comply with the lawful order or request
Yes, if you are driving a car they can demand proof that you are legally allowed to drive that car. I'm sure that there are other similar situations.
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This is probably on I 17 north of Nogales in AZ Its a highway exit that has B P at it and it has since at least 2000. Everyone traveling north is expected to pass through. usually just a wave by, or a few questions, then a wave through. My guess is her dad is some big shot atty. with "multiple houses", one of which is in Aspen Co. which is high dollar, and they know it would not be worth the hassle or fight so they let her go.
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This is probably on I 17 north of Nogales in AZ Its a highway exit that has B P at it and it has since at least 2000. Everyone traveling north is expected to pass through. usually just a wave by, or a few questions, then a wave through. My guess is her dad is some big shot atty. with "multiple houses", one of which is in Aspen Co. which is high dollar, and they know it would not be worth the hassle or fight so they let her go.
Or the fact you don't have to answer shit at those check points or stops, and maybe she knew that
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She should have the common decency to pull over and is obstructing traffic. By saying no she has given cause in the same manner as a someone refusing a breathlizer.
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She should have the common decency to pull over and is obstructing traffic. By saying no she has given cause in the same manner as a someone refusing a breathlizer.
You are a fucking idiot. Refusing to allow search of a vehicle does not give probable cause. You are so ignorant it makes me want to puke.
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Or the fact you don't have to answer shit at those check points or stops, and maybe she knew that
most of the questions in a pull over stop or checkpoint are not any of the cops business. but a cop will mind fukc you into thinking you have to answer and bully you to make you see it their way. Flat out LEO's are trained to do this and to get you to wave your rights, if you don't know your rights. Do you want to be an ass about it? No, I try not to be, but its really hard when someone is standing right infront of you trying to tell you what you already know is a flat out lie and they tell lie after lie without any hesitation. Give me my ticket or let me go and let me get on with my day.

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most of the questions in a pull over stop or checkpoint are not any of the cops business. but a cop will mind fukc you into thinking you have to answer and bully you to make you see it their way. Flat out LEO's are trained to do this and to get you to wave your rights. Do you want to be an ass about it? No, I try not to be, but its really hard when someone is standing right infront of you trying to tell you what you already know is a flat out lie.

So you have been to a police academy? You also have yrs of on the job training to back up your statements? Cool, good to know when I have cop questions I have someone to turn to
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So you have been to a police academy? You also have yrs of on the job training to back up your statements? Cool, good to know when I have cop questions I have someone to turn to
Nope I have not attended any police training. I do however know my rights as a citizen of the United States of America that was taught to me by our state and federally funded schools, private research latley since this issue is so popular these days, and also my experience with LEO's in my life. There are lots of good LEO's out there who put their life on the line, and just like the world there is a lot of liers out there, in EVERY occupation. I will respect anyone who respects my rights, not someone who is trying to get me to wave them for no reason at all. My favorite LEO lie is the old "this can go the easy way or the hard way" or the "I can help you if you just give it to me". We have all heard it one time or another.
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Partly true, you don't always have the right to say no or nothing at all, such as a police officer asking you for your ID while you are in your car on a valid stop, you don't have the right to ignore that request, you must furnish ID or you could be arrested...that is just one example but there are many where any citizen must comply with the lawful order or request
Understanding your statement, doesn't a cop have to have RAS in order to stop you (legally)? I get it that a cop can always find a reason even if it's bullshit. So, while driving a car, if stopped you have to show ID, proof of insurance and registration. But other than that, I don't think you are obligated to say anything else.
If stopped on a street, you do not have to show ID if asked, unless you have a CPL and are carrying, which you have to disclose.

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I have no issues with a police officer or border patrol officer stopping me and doing a "quick" check. (to an extent). check my license. run my plate. heck check the trunk, and let your drug dog circle my truck . If all comes back good at that point let me go. All that can be done in a matter of minutes and will not effect my day.
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I blatantly disagree with this mentality. Our constitution was set up so that we don't have to go through this. It's called the 4th amendment. If you don't have RAS, NO YOU CANNOT CHECK MY TRUNK. In fact, no you should not even be stopping me "just because". When I have done something wrong, or I fit the description of someone you are searching for, I'm all for it. But random stops are bullshit. This tactic is a slow way of desensitizing our society to thinking this is OK and normal. NO it's not!
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I too would have liked to see this from the beginning. All she keeps saying is 'I am a US citizens and you can not search my car'. Did she just roll up to the check point and that was the first thing out of her mouth? Is so, that would be a red flag for most I would think.


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As I understand it, a cop is not allowed to stop you and ask for ID randomly without cause, which she clearly understood also. I understand that this is an immigration checkpoint but it's bullshit to stop and hassle someone who has a car registered to them and she is obviously not a foreigner.
She stated in the clip the car was not hers but her dads. But would not give info of him (agent ask his address)to verify she actually know him. If they ran the car and its register to a 50 year old male and you have a younger female driving it I can see why they would question it to verify it was stolen or anything else.

I do not agree with check points but I also don't think she handled it well at all.
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I too would have liked to see this from the beginning. All she keeps saying is 'I am a US citizens and you can not search my car'. Did she just roll up to the check point and that was the first thing out of her mouth? Is so, that would be a red flag for most I would think.




She stated in the clip the car was not hers but her dads. But would not give info of him (agent ask his address)to verify she actually know him. If they ran the car and its register to a 50 year old male and you have a younger female driving it I can see why they would question it to verify it was stolen or anything else.

I do not agree with check points but I also don't think she handled it well at all.

Red flag or not it is not cause for a search. It does not matter who the vehicle is registered to. Nor does she need to verify how she knows him. They wanted to make her life hard because she didn't hail Hilter. Fuck those tools.

Not related to the quote. Most don't know LEOs have no legal obligation to protect you. I only bring this up because WR said they put their life on the line. Just don't mistake that it is protect you the Supreme Court has made this very clear.
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Who cares who the car is registered to? If it is not reported stolen they have no RAS to question it.
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