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Old August 30th, 2013, 07:58 AM   #1
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Watch this video. It's a bit long.


Basically there is a border patrol checkpoint not near the border, and they are stopping all motorists to search their cars. A woman doesn't consent, and ensues.

I have mixed opinions on people doing this.
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I think people looking for and video taping it are annoying.
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I made it a minute into the video. I don't know what the laws are on these types of stops.

99.9% of the time i am not doing anything wrong. I find it easier to work with the officers and allow them to do their jobs. They are likely doing searches because there is something going on in the area and they are checking plates. They have reason to believe she needs to be checked, she is only making it worse by being a smartass. Once they run her plate and she checks out they'll let her on her merry way, unless she doesn't check out and has something in her car she shouldn't.

I am NOT for a military state and I am for personal freedoms, but this seems like un-necessary on her part.
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Based on what we see, I think she is right. (I only got in 2 minutes)

What we don't know is if there is a criminal activity they are trying to catch. As I understand it, to have a legal stop, they must have a reasonable assumption that you are suspicios regarding a specific crime. To randomly stop and run your plates or search your vehicle is a 4th amendment violation.

If they are searching for a criminal or they think the description of her vehicle fits a watch list, they are supposed to disclose that to her. (as I understand it) She also needed ask "why am I being detained?"

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They were only doing a check point to check for immigrations.
It's worth watching all the way through. At one point they start asking why she is going where she is going and where her dad lives............. all none of their business. Finally a new officer shows up, and when he finds out she is a US citizen, she is released.

Personally, I think these stops are bullshit and I applaud our citizens for standing up for their rights. Block up the fucking border and these problems would go away. I recently went through a bunch of extra security in Detroit because I refused to tell them why I was flying to St. Louis. It's none of their fucking business. I'm a citizen and I'm traveling for personal reasons within the USA. They said it wasn't good enough.
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Based on what we see, I think she is right. (I only got in 2 minutes)

What we don't know is if there is a criminal activity they are trying to catch. As I understand it, to have a legal stop, they must have a reasonable assumption that you are suspicios regarding a specific crime. To randomly stop and run your plates or search your vehicle is a 4th amendment violation.

If they are searching for a criminal or they think the description of her vehicle fits a watch list, they are supposed to disclose that to her. (as I understand it) She also needed ask "why am I being detained?"

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They were only doing a check point to check for immigrations.
It's worth watching all the way through. At one point they start asking why she is going where she is going and where her dad lives............. all none of their business. Finally a new officer shows up, and when he finds out she is a US citizen, she is released.

Personally, I think these stops are bullshit and I applaud our citizens for standing up for their rights. Block up the fucking border and these problems would go away. I recently went through a bunch of extra security in Detroit because I refused to tell them why I was flying to St. Louis. It's none of their fucking business. I'm a citizen and I'm traveling for personal reasons within the USA. They said it wasn't good enough.
I should have watched longer.
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Based on what we see, I think she is right. (I only got in 2 minutes)

What we don't know is if there is a criminal activity they are trying to catch. As I understand it, to have a legal stop, they must have a reasonable assumption that you are suspicios regarding a specific crime. To randomly stop and run your plates or search your vehicle is a 4th amendment violation.

If they are searching for a criminal or they think the description of her vehicle fits a watch list, they are supposed to disclose that to her. (as I understand it) She also needed ask "why am I being detained?"

Edit,
They were only doing a check point to check for immigrations.
It's worth watching all the way through. At one point they start asking why she is going where she is going and where her dad lives............. all none of their business. Finally a new officer shows up, and when he finds out she is a US citizen, she is released.

Personally, I think these stops are bullshit and I applaud our citizens for standing up for their rights. Block up the fucking border and these problems would go away. I recently went through a bunch of extra security in Detroit because I refused to tell them why I was flying to St. Louis. It's none of their fucking business. I'm a citizen and I'm traveling for personal reasons within the USA. They said it wasn't good enough.
Whole-heartedly agree. As long as we are able to accept that life cannot be 100% safe regardless of security measures taken, there is no reason for random searches. Problem is- we have people who are not only willing, but eager to give up freedom for the illusion of security.
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A blond woman who speaks perfect non-accented English who can show a valid drivers license (which she does) and seems to know her rights (and is willing to fight for them) would hardly be an immigration target.
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A blond woman who speaks perfect non-accented English who can show a valid drivers license (which she does) and seems to know her rights (and is willing to fight for them) would hardly be an immigration target.
Right, because pulling over a dark haired, brown skinned male who only speaks Spanish would be profiling, and profiling is bad, mmmmmkay?
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Guilty until proven innocent. Its the new norm.
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I'd hit it.
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Only applies to Caucasians.
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Only applies to Caucasians.
And white hispanics
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Where is TSAguy to chime in on this?

Border patrol agents have the authority to setup checkpoints and stop anyone within (not sure on the distance) 100 miles of a border. Which to me seems like total BS, but that's the law.
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Where is TSAguy to chime in on this?

Border patrol agents have the authority to setup checkpoints and stop anyone within (not sure on the distance) 100 miles of a border. Which to me seems like total BS, but that's the law.
TSA guy was last seen practicing the new check for explosive breast implants.
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cop was a dick until he found out what was going on.. kind of funny.
i'd bet those border patrol agents got their asses chewed by the cop
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I'm pretty familiar with Michigan search and seizure laws but not so much on the Federal level. As far as I know, check points are not considered legal in Michigan so that is a plus but as far as the Feds go, they seem to have carte blanche on anything they wish to do.
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I wouldn't have answered any of their questions
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What a badass.
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Being a PITA, or doing what's right?

Probably a little of both.

It would have been interesting to see it from the beginning. What happened that made the boarder agent ask her to pull over.
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I think it was a random checkpoint.
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