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Old September 1st, 2013, 07:29 AM   #1
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still not sure what I am gonna do, but was looking at lifts and prices. leaning towards keeping my ZJ as it has NO rust and runs good and I know there is nothing wrong with it. (other than needing some bushing replaced) So the "answer" is a lift right?

Anyway. Still undecided.

BUT, I was looking at some 4.5 inch lifts.

The iron rock offroad is like 674. Then there was one that was old man EMU parts. 579 I think.

But then I was reading somewhere it said that those are short arm kits without track bars. Someone said that short arm kits ride terrible and are scary to drive on road on. Then I read that track bars are 100% necessary. (then why is the kit sold without them?) how much extra is that gonna cost?

NOW. my jeep IS my DD, and will remain my DD. I drive 13 miles to work one way. I also want it to be driveable up north.

I thought long arms just allowed extra flex. Not DD ability, but I read that was wrong somewhere. (I know not everything posted is accurate).

Looking for some input from people who know what they are talking about and have been through this. I have never gotten into the technicality's of the lifts. I have been into full size stuff for the most part (70's K20/K30/F250)

Maybe I should be just looking at a budget boost? I would like it to be a bit bigger though. NOW, yes getting a DD is an option, but I want to be able to drive my jeep places and not ride like shit...
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Old September 1st, 2013, 07:52 AM   #2
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I have a 4 1/2" on my XJ which has the same front suspension as the ZJ. Tell whoever told you they ride terrible and scarey to put the pipe down. I DD mine and have zero complaints on the ride. It drives nice and no bumpsteer. Most 4 1/2" short arm kits don't come with a track bar. You drill a new hole 3/4" from the stock hole and you're good. The long arm kits to come with it.
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I have a 4 1/2" on my XJ which has the same front suspension as the ZJ. Tell whoever told you they ride terrible and scarey to put the pipe down. I DD mine and have zero complaints on the ride. It drives nice and no bumpsteer. Most 4 1/2" short arm kits don't come with a track bar. You drill a new hole 3/4" from the stock hole and you're good. The long arm kits to come with it.
ok, thanks.

I remember helping a buddy on his wrangler and I remember drilling that hole for him.

So with the basic 600-700 dollar kit I can be on the road DDing comfortably right? (thats what your saying).

hows drive-ability and mileage type stuff. what size tires you running?

can you still run 75-80? and how much did your mileage drop?
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Most kits will come with new front lower arms as the stockers get too short. You can DD that easily. Drive-ability isn't much different. Just remember that it's lifted and it won't be the same as a stock one. I'm running 32's with no rub. If it was geared better, I would have no problem doing and holding that speed, but mine is different. Small block Chevy, turbo 350, S-10 231 with the Jeep SYE kit and stock 4:10 gears.
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Most kits will come with new front lower arms as the stockers get too short. You can DD that easily. Drive-ability isn't much different. Just remember that it's lifted and it won't be the same as a stock one. I'm running 32's with no rub. If it was geared better, I would have no problem doing and holding that speed, but mine is different. Small block Chevy, turbo 350, S-10 231 with the Jeep SYE kit and stock 4:10 gears.
wow. in your XJ? awesome!

so your running a 305? or 350?

ah. I guess with the turbo 350 (no OD) and the 4.10's thats why you cant go 75/80? probably be at 3k rpm's +?

Im thinking with my 318 and 3.73's (zj with tow package) and 32's I should be able to maintain those speeds pretty easy?
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305. I thought about building something bigger, but this one is nice and has all the power needed and put the bigger engine on the back burner. It does 65 easy enough but it spins the engine to 3200 so I don't keep it there for long. Let people pass me when I'm on the highway. It also draws a crowd when I have the hood up.

You'll probably turn around 2500 at 70 with the bigger tires. those are my saving grace.

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Ride and handleing quality is very subjective. Some will say their lifted truck rode and handled fine, others will say a stock truck rides and handles horrible.

Generally, a lifted vehicle will ride better with long arms. The reason for this is that as you lift the arms start to become more vertical. This allows more direct road input from bumps to come from the arms vs being input through the springs, giving a harsher ride. Longer arms helps reduce this.
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the iron rock offroad kit comes with new track bars so i wont worry about that. it does not come with any longer control arms. My zj had a 4.5 lift with 33s did fine driving around with the 318 and 3.73s.
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