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Old November 6th, 2006, 07:50 PM   #1
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Has anyone seen the ads with a bunch of criples in wheel chairs bitching? It ends with the tag line about "everyone having the RIGHT TO WORK". Not the right to make themselves valuable or right to create their own job, or make use of grants set aside for cripples. THEY HAVE A RIGHT FOR YOU AND ME TO accept their disablility and what ever inconvience it may cause employer and customers. 100 % communist propaganda.

Other ad is a union couple who has lost their jobs due to economic down turn outsourcing etc. Despite the fact that i know they love low prices, try to save money etc they believe anyone who lets outsourcing happen should not serve in senate. To quote the fat wife: "all they care about is money, money, money"
As if she pays her mortgage with warm hugs, kinds words, and pictures of unicorns and little kids playing. Dumb broad is an uneducated commie doesnt understand that publicly traded companies have stock holders and, their number 1 committment BY LAW is to create shareholder wealth. NOT keep her fat ass employed to make warm fuzzy christmas at the fatass-uneducated-over expecting-union family house.

Please explain to me sova and MikeL how these mainstream ads are not communist. Ill give you the hint that all commies dont say they are commies, but if you substitute the words, "progress, fair, fighting for families, etc" with the word communism and it still makes sense we are talking about communism !!!!:miff: :tonka:


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for the most part yes. Not all but most liberals yes they hate america. Not enough to leave, not enough to change their lifestyle. They hate it just enough to tell everyone else to change, to tell other folks to do stuff to ease their own conscience and make themselves feel better or morally superior enlightened etc. They do not understand how things work, what america was founded on, what freedom is, what other countries do. Give me virtually any popular liberal idea or stance on a subject and i can show you how they contradict themselves and both times the loser in the scenario is america, THIS IS NO MISTAKE. underlying sentament is a self loathing or have guilt complex and yes they hate america. They wont admit it or publicly say it but their contradicting opions reveal it.
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that is the most incorrect, idiotic thing I have read from your posts so far.

This video fits right in with your post. I used it before I am sure you will like it.
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i concur.
those ads were not run by extremists but by moderate trying to sell a communist agenda to middle america. Those were senate and govenor ads not some president of a wack job club. Cant get any more mainstream than governor, and senator. Yet these ads are populated with communists which is as un american as you can get.

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Yes, lets judge all by a couple of adds or a few people trying to get re-elected. . . .

:miff: jamie

edit: it's also funny to me that your pretty much saying that disabled should get a free ride (right to make them valuable or take advantage of grants) since they are an inconvience to employers . . . wouldn't that be completely against the propaganda you spew about no free rides??

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Yes, lets judge all by a couple of adds or a few people trying to get re-elected. . . .

:miff: jamie

edit: it's also funny to me that your pretty much saying that disabled should get a free ride (right to make them valuable or take advantage of grants) since they are an inconvience to employers . . . wouldn't that be completely against the propaganda you spew about no free rides??
not judging ALL , just that the liberal side of the deomocratic party hates america and american values, AS evidenced by commie propoganda in a mainstream election.

No free rides for anyone. Definately not a "right to work for everyone" the commerical was not about having a right to start a business it was about even more than the plethora of laws already on the books for people with any nubmer of countless disabilities. My point about the grants was simply there is money out there for people in wheel chairs, and those able bodied. If they have any real value to provide paying customers they would be better served being their own boss, and i dont like the idea that a cripples self esteem is all wraped up in being able to work and its the job of private business to HAVE to accomdate them.

It was just a commerical pandering to commies. There was no real substance to it at all. If you have value beyond the net cost of building a ramp for, hiring you an interpreter, elevator etc SOMEONE will hire you. Business want to make money, and if you can make them money they will want you if you are a female, a black, or cripple. DOESNT MATTER. If you are a cripple and no one wants you .... well maybe you need to learn to live on well fare and social sequrity. This commerical was pure communism they may as well had a giant picture of chairman mao in the back ground or the old russian flag with hammer and sickle.

About a few people trying to get elected. They test this stuff with focus groups and mini polls. It must be a selling issue!! Re inforcing my comment that the liberals have a strong commie platform. If it wasn't compelling issue they wouldnt have made it a commerical, it tugs at the heart strings of the commies.

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not judging ALL , just that the liberal side of the deomocratic party hates america and american values, AS evidenced by commie propoganda in a mainstream election.
I agree about the far left, but would like to add that the far right is just as hard on american values. The right stress the first amendment by pushing censorship. And of course there is our president that just stressed habeus corpus.:miff:

My point is that being extreme in any point of view is dangerous, no matter how noble one believes themself to be.
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I have never discussed any topics that have to do with these ads. It appears you are not wise enough to figure this out. You just like to bash Democrats. You like to group them all together and post whatever you think is powerful.

Just remember this one thing. Your views are your personal views. You will be able to get most people on this site to agree with you. Move away from this website and you will find yourself outnumbered on your view but thats o.k. because we have freedom of speech and freedom to think whatever you want. The fact that you have to find an ad that is designed to slam the other party and select 2 people on these boards makes me laugh. I think you must be bored.

The Ads put on by BOTH parties are designed to sway idiots who cant figure things out on their own.

Again this is the only mature response for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZS10L8OejA

If you really want to see ads about wheelchairs. Lets see how many disabled veterans come out against the war in the next presidential election. THat is reality my friend.
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What law states that publically held companies must make stockholder value their #1 Priority? Just curious.

Time after time, studies have shown that disadvantaged workers a) are more productive b) are less likely to be absent C) and are more loyal to the employer. What is so bad about that? Many large companies have instituted hiring policies to hire and promote your so called "cripples". Pull your head out of your rosy little elite world and realize that not everyone is blonde and blue bowing down before a guy with a dark little mustache.
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What law states that publically held companies must make stockholder value their #1 Priority? Just curious.

Time after time, studies have shown that disadvantaged workers a) are more productive b) are less likely to be absent C) and are more loyal to the employer. What is so bad about that? Many large companies have instituted hiring policies to hire and promote your so called "cripples". Pull your head out of your rosy little elite world and realize that not everyone is blonde and blue bowing down before a guy with a dark little mustache.
i wouldnt say i am in a rosy little elite world at all. I run a small business with 2 employees plus myself. The economy blows and i am not far from rolling in money. My job is very dangerous and i pay hazard insurance rates i could very easyily fall down any day and be a cripple! I am on ladders and roofs every day for about half of each work day or more. I dont know the law off the top of my head but i can find out.

Yes thats great if the companies have those policies and they are helpful to the company also. I am not against cripples, wheel chair bound folks, quadra or para paligic being productinve citizens. Not one bit i admire them. I challenge you to show me how the commerical wasnt communist in that THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO WORK !!! I love it when i see a guy in a wheel chair doing well. I know a number of folks in the 40s that are wheelchair bound and they do pretty allright on their own merit. I love it cause there is no excuse for a teenager or 20 something able bodied dude to get off well fare and go make some money!

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What law states that publically held companies must make stockholder value their #1 Priority? Just curious.
It's not a law on a book but the 'Law of maximizing shareholder wealth' is what all businessmen practice.
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Just remember this one thing. Your views are your personal views. You will be able to get most people on this site to agree with you. Move away from this website and you will find yourself outnumbered on your view but thats o.k. because we have freedom of speech and freedom to think whatever you want.
You so miss informed. No doubt this site is more republican than democrat. Thanks for the news flash. Do you follow elections at all ? Have you seen any maps representing the voting per region of each state ? I will not find my self outnumbered except In certain parts of certain states and can drive for 3 days straight and not pass through one democratic state. In terms of population the last national elections were among the closest in history and the country is very much 50-50 or 48-52 %. Comfort yourself that I am in the VAST minority and you are super informed and in the know. That jsut shows how uniformed you are.



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The fact that you have to find an ad that is designed to slam the other party and select 2 people on these boards makes me laugh. I think you must be bored.
Funny you are are hipocrit. Sova did this same thing. My post was satire of him calling out me and fordflareside in his thread title. You DID comment in that thread but made no mention of him being bored or making you laugh. Funny how your ideals are so throw away when someone agrees with you politically and you go on a witch hunt when they don’t. You said my coment was the most idiotic and he agreed, I knew there was 100’s of examples proving me right, and wouldn’t be long before one fell in my lap.



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The fact that you have to find an ad that is designed to slam the other party and select 2 people on these boards makes me laugh. I think you must be bored.
I didn’t HAVE TO FIND IT. I wasn’t searching you tube like you. I was watching tv and listening to radio. I have seen it a half dozen times. It simply reinstates YOU are the one that doesn’t know what the mainstream part of your own party supports, and is easily fooled by simple words and complex idea like communism can fool you if masked with simple words that make you feel good.


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I have never discussed any topics that have to do with these ads. It appears you are not wise enough to figure this out. You just like to bash Democrats. You like to group them all together and post whatever you think is powerful.


Are you kidding me MikeL i didnt say you mentioned these ads and in fact i asked if any one had seen them!! Do you understand what a question mark means versus quotation marks?????? Do you have dsylexia or some reading comprehension problems? Hit in the head ? Brain damage maybe ? I dont like to just bash , you can find posts on me slaming bush and cheney and saying i admire John Kennedy just in the last month - 6 weeks.

Do you know what a qualifying statement is MikeL ? When i say liberal .... that doesn not mean all . When you get upset about me slamming liberals and get your pantys in a ruffle over someone daying to talk smack about your beloved, it shows your ignorance. To then try to call me out further shows how in your own words "you are not wise enough to figure this out." If you have some learning diability or are dyslexic i take no offense my brother is dyslexic. If your having some problem in the head you have no excusr you do this more than once ignoring peoples qualified statements and go off on some detail that is of no substance when you take into consideration the qualifier. Thats not even a characteristic of dyslexia ... i just hope you have some excuse you sure make allot of logic errors and simple reading errors for someone who goes around telling people they know the future and others arent wise.

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It's not a law on a book but the 'Law of maximizing shareholder wealth' is what all businessmen practice.
check with the SEC. I know for a fact there was a case with one of the dodge brothers suing ford over this. Ford wanted to do something charitable, the dodge brother wanted retuern on his investment. Its on the books. Look it up there is case law backing up exactly what i said.
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simple google search chiefwoohaw/cmujeeper.

"The Dodge brothers, who formerly had supplied chassis to Ford but were now manufacturing their own car while still holding Ford stock, sued Ford for what they claimed was his reckless expansion and for reducing prices of the company's product, thereby diverting money from stockholders' dividends. The court hearings gave Ford a chance to expound his ideas about business. In December 1917 the court ruled in favour of the Dodges; Ford, as in the Selden case, appealed, but this time he lost. In 1919 the court said that, while Ford's sentiments about his employees and customers were nice, a business is for the profit of its stockholders. Ford, irate that a court and a few shareholders, whom he likened to parasites, could interfere with the management of his company, determined to buy out all the shareholders. He had resigned as president in December 1918 in favour of his son, Edsel, and in March 1919 he announced a plan to organize a new company to build cars cheaper than the Model T. When asked what would become of the Ford Motor Company, he said, "Why I don't know exactly what will become of that; the portion of it that does not belong to me cannot be sold to me, that I know." The Dodges, somewhat inconsistently, having just taken him to court for mismanagement, vowed that he would not be allowed to leave. Ford said that if he was not master of his own company, he would start another. The ruse worked; by July 1919 Ford had bought out all seven minority stockholders. (The seven had little to complain about: in addition to being paid nearly $106,000,000 for their stock, they received a court-ordered dividend of $19,275,385 plus $1,536,749 in interest.) Ford Motor Company was reorganized under a Delaware charter in 1920 with all shares held by Ford and other family members. Never had one man controlled so completely a business enterprise so gigantic."

link: http://www.willamette.edu/~fthompso/...enry_Ford.html

search words: ford sued by dodge shareholder wealth

it was the first site to come up.

Also notice i didnt say state law federal law etc. Just law, company have their own laws also. If you work for a big union auto supplier or big three you are at the mercy of the stock holders. Dont like it, then dont work there! (with the union you are hardly at the msercy of anything unless you beat someone up at work or get busted with sexual harassment about 5 times). Think the shareholders are making a killing then invest in your company cause i think all the big 3 and major suppliers all sell stock at a discount to their employees. Lastly if you are a communist, bitch about money like its the route of all evil, all the while living in a house where everything you own is store bought, and your cry baby heart can wave a tiny russian flag.

Why the hell would anyone invest in a company if their investment was not a protected goal!

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It's not a law on a book but the 'Law of maximizing shareholder wealth' is what all businessmen practice.
You are in business school right chiefwoohaw ?
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Jamiesann you have to much time on your hands. You try to convert what anyone says into something you can debate. If I say the sky is blue I believe you will bring up the color wheel. You love to distort facts to lean your way and you hide behind those little smiley characters in every post.

Have you ever made a post without editing it? Try to get it right the first time. I wish all could edit their decisions.

It is difficult to even debate with you because you take actual facts and spin them around. It is like arguing with my kids.

What is wrong with you?
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You are in business school right chiefwoohaw ?
Yes,

I was agreeing with you that outsourcing is a good thing because it maximizes shareholder wealth and that's what businessmen do. So sorry if your a fat UAW or any other union worker that has become expendable due to union policies and your lack of production.

The Henry Ford case holds no water because he OWNED his business ideas and just needed bennifactors to get it going but also understood what good will can do for a company. If he had lost that case then I would imagine that he would have just started enough FMC like he did 2 times pevious if he had to because no one tells him what to do. And I don't know why you would bring that up because it has nothing to do with politics and just shows one rere occasion where shareholder maximzation wasn't practiced but charrity was put in place as goodwill which actually is part of shareholder mazimiation and I think you did bring it up just because your feeble mind thought I was arguing against you and WE (all of GL4x4) knows how you HAVE to be right.

I'm glad you have fun always calling commies and putting Dems and Repubs against each other and I would think you would eventually get bored by it but so far it seems that it's your lifes driving force.

The window washing business must be really slow in the winter I can imagaine.
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I was agreeing with you that outsourcing is a good thing because it maximizes shareholder wealth and that's what businessmen do. So sorry if your a fat UAW or any other union worker that has become expendable due to union policies and your lack of production.

The Henry Ford case holds no water because he OWNED his business ideas and just needed bennifactors to get it going but also understood what good will can do for a company. If he had lost that case then I would imagine that he would have just started enough FMC like he did 2 times pevious if he had to because no one tells him what to do. And I don't know why you would bring that up because it has nothing to do with politics and just shows one rere occasion where shareholder maximzation wasn't practiced but charrity was put in place as goodwill which actually is part of shareholder mazimiation and I think you did bring it up just because your feeble mind thought I was arguing against you and WE (all of GL4x4) knows how you HAVE to be right.

I'm glad you have fun always calling commies and putting Dems and Repubs against each other and I would think you would eventually get bored by it but so far it seems that it's your lifes driving force.

The window washing business must be really slow in the winter I can imagaine.
I was thinking a window washer also. Just based on his replies.

I ignore his commie posts. When he spends 10 years in the Submarine force during the cold war like I did i may entertain his posts about communism.

Get used to a bunch of endless useless responses usually off topic by Jamiesann. He will most likely bring up a post you responded in but even agreed with him on and try to use it agianst you later due to lack of ammo. Then it will be backed up by a little smiley face flipping you the bird.
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Jamiesann you have to much time on your hands. You try to convert what anyone says into something you can debate. If I say the sky is blue I believe you will bring up the color wheel. You love to distort facts to lean your way and you hide behind those little smiley characters in every post.

Have you ever made a post without editing it? Try to get it right the first time. I wish all could edit their decisions.

It is difficult to even debate with you because you take actual facts and spin them around. It is like arguing with my kids.

What is wrong with you?
Youíre like debating a 5th grader ... a 5th grade girl. You focus on the one thing and run with it like I said something about liberals you took that as meaning all . THATíS spin. I work 10 - 12 hour days all the time I donít have to much time on my hands. I wasnít debating some converted tit bit. You did chime in on sovas thread where he called out me and ford flareside and did not laugh at his thread or imply he was bored. FACT! Youíre a hypocrite. I wonder why that thread wasnít funny to you ???

Those were YOUR comments about my beliefs about the liberals. Not edited. Then to show how true they were I compared what I said to a mainstream democratic political ad. Very favorable as you thought my description wasnít fair, yet anyone would agree a mainstream ad would be lighter than a hardcore special interest liberal agenda. This was mainstream and still over run with communist propaganda. I wasn't looking for a debate so much as an explanation as to how what I said was so idiotic, and then stuff shows up on TV weeks later proving it!!!! Whats to debate?? You already said you come here to get people upset. I come to this sub forum to learn what issues are out there not to rile people up, you get them upset with your juvenile logic and ideas.

You served on a submarine. Great. Thankyou for your service. That doesnít mean you not a commie, and even worse a commie and donít even know it if you think the liberals arenít commies and those ads were not communist propaganda.

Youíre not upsetting people with your cunning wit and great debating skills your upsetting people with your overlooking question marks, quotes, Basic English like qualified statements, fact, logic and a linear though process, and fairness. Heck you cant even understand why after I was called out by sova in a thread title, then sova agreeing with you "what I said was most idiotic" that when the opportunity presented it self to out you guys as uniformed and objective I would jump at it.


I donít agree with the trend to outsourceing. Our laws should mimcik chinas.

If you Mike L were not a communist you would have said something like well those companies were operating with in the law and did nothing wrong. I donít like to see outsourcing but you canít make people who want low prices but your high priced American product x vs. cheap Indian product. Making stuff here and going out of business doesnít ďprotectĒ jobs if you go bankrupt. You didnít say that though.
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Again a bunch of blah blah blah. All of that could have been written in about 2 sentences. Half of what you have posted is useless information and a bunch of rambling. Look around the board and see who has the longest posts. I think you will find you. Learn how to summarize a little so you dont go off topic on most of your posts like you do.

As far as the Commie comment. I will bet the people normally on your side will be against you on that one. You are a lost case.

What branch did you serve in?
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Again a bunch of blah blah blah. All of that could have been written in about 2 sentences. Half of what you have posted is useless information and a bunch of rambling. Look around the board and see who has the longest posts. I think you will find you. Learn how to summarize a little so you dont go off topic on most of your posts like you do.

As far as the Commie comment. I will bet the people normally on your side will be against you on that one. You are a lost case.

What branch did you serve in?
i have to go into detail for folks like you who look for the tiniest granule of non specified comment to spin into some or "yeah but not this one part" Like i said for the thrid time no the original comment said liberal. Not democract. Your the one that has a hard time reading, i see you comment on threads that are 5 + pages long. Dont let anyone think reading 3-5 paragraphs by me taxed your mind so much. Not off topic. I started the thread i started the topic !!! and its a big topic of the intertwining of liberal politics and communism. Not easy for you to decipher since you cant even tell if a commerical is communist or not i am sure this is all VERY VERY confusing to you.:tonka:

What branch some served in has nothing to do with communist commerical. Your willingness to point fingers at me for tangental topics and call it off topic then try to submit your serving "as proof" you cant possibly have underlying communist feelings is commical.

I didnt serve. I tried to join the marines and scored well enough on the SAT and ACT, 100 % on my MEAP's etc they said i could have done anything i wanted to in any branch. My undoing was haveing taken ritalin. They said at the time that, ritalin disqualified me from serving in the marines. Not sure what that has to do with a commerical since your such a stickler for staying on topic to the point everything is dumed down and fits and in nice little compartment to make it simple for you to understand.

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