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Old August 20th, 2013, 04:28 PM   #1
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The events there over the course of just 2 years is pretty telling of where our President's allegiance is. Feel free to correct me if I have gotten any of this wrong: Hosni Mubarak was in power for years, keeping things relatively quiet in Egypt, compared to the rest of the Middle East and Northern Africa. Obama didn't like him much, so he throws his support to the "Muslim Brotherhood", who have had ties to terrorists for over 80 or so years, including helping the Nazis in WW2. Mubarak is removed from power 2 years ago and imprisoned, and the Muslim Brotherhood leaders win a questionable election shortly after that, in what was called the "Arab Spring". Obama shows his support for the Brotherhood by sending them billions of dollars in aid, as well as F-16 fighters and battle tanks, amid protests from members of Congress. Brotherhood does their best to make life miserable for Christians while in power, as well as professing their wish for the destruction of Israel. Time goes by and the Egyptians get fed up with the Brotherhood and the lack of democracy in their country, and the Egyptian military conducts a coup to remove the Brotherhood from power a few weeks ago. Some Egyptians even want Mubarak freed and back in charge, and the Brotherhood responds with bloodshed, murdering anyone who opposes them, and destroying as many Christian churches as it can along the way. Obama responds by stopping all aid to Egypt.

Those of us who are paying attention get even more confirmation of who's side our President is really on. As long as the guys with ties to terrorists are in charge Obama send them a shiatload of aid, but when they are no longer in power, the aid stops immediately.
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Muslims and bloodshed? I refuse to believe that. According to Obama, Islam has a rich heritage.
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Muslims and bloodshed? I refuse to believe that. According to Obama, Islam has a rich heritage.
Unlike Christians and bloodshed, with a rich heritage?
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There ain't no bloodshed like religious bloodshed, cuz religious bloodshed don't stop.
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Let me check the news real quick.

Ok, I am back. I checked the news and only Muslims are in there for killing people.
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There has been bloodshed committed throughout the histories of all people of all religions; but name a religion, other than Islam, that has actually preached and advocated mass bloodshed, still to this day. Just because you have an apparent problem with Christianity, you can't compare it to the need for violence and death of infidels that Islam has. Their histories and philosophies are totally different.
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Point out the hypocrisy and every one comes running .
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There has been bloodshed committed throughout the histories of all people of all religions; but name a religion, other than Islam, that has actually preached and advocated mass bloodshed, still to this day. Just because you have an apparent problem with Christianity, you can't compare it to the need for violence and death of infidels that Islam has. Their histories and philosophies are totally different.
Yup you are right it was Christians who flew those planes into the twin towers.
I can't think of any other religion that advocates mass bloodshed other that islam. If you can come up with evidence I'd like to see it.
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There has been bloodshed committed throughout the histories of all people of all religions; but name a religion, other than Islam, that has actually preached and advocated mass bloodshed, still to this day. Just because you have an apparent problem with Christianity, you can't compare it to the need for violence and death of infidels that Islam has. Their histories and philosophies are totally different.
Inquisition never happened?

Crusades never happened?

Ethnic Cleansing in Bosnia never happened?
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Point out the hypocrisy and every one comes running .
It would be hypocrisy if Christians were still killing people. I think that's what Dave was getting at.

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1. Christ preached acceptance through the understanding that we all fall short of God's standards. Nobody is better then anybody. (which you could easily call hypocricy on n our culture)

2. That loving God is the #1 commandment and loving your neighbor as your as your self is #2. Not only those two commandments but also he says, more or less, that those two commandments sum up the other 600 or so in OT law.

3. Nowhere in the NT does it tell people to kill anybody else. Well, not entirely true, they do use it to symbolize things.



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Inquisition never happened?

Crusades never happened?

Ethnic Cleansing in Bosnia never happened?
Yes, those happened.

Large groups of HUMANS always become corrupt. In religion that becomes very dangerous because we leave God out of the picture and substitute him with ________ and claim that _______ is God and then we do things in the name of ________ for God. Only problem is that ________is corrupt.
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Feel free to correct me if I have gotten any of this wrong: Obama shows his support for the Brotherhood by sending them billions of dollars in aid, as well as F-16 fighters and battle tanks, amid protests from members of Congress. Brotherhood does their best to make life miserable for Christians while in power, as well as professing their wish for the destruction of Israel. Time goes by and the Egyptians get fed up with the Brotherhood and the lack of democracy in their country, and the Egyptian military conducts a coup to remove the Brotherhood from power a few weeks ago. Some Egyptians even want Mubarak freed and back in charge, and the Brotherhood responds with bloodshed, murdering anyone who opposes them, and destroying as many Christian churches as it can along the way. Obama responds by stopping all aid to Egypt.

Those of us who are paying attention get even more confirmation of who's side our President is really on. As long as the guys with ties to terrorists are in charge Obama send them a shiatload of aid, but when they are no longer in power, the aid stops immediately.
As of the press conference this afternoon around 3pm, the White House still refuses to call it a Coup, which under our rules would require us to immediately suspend aid.
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It would be hypocrisy if Christians were still killing people. I think that's what Dave was getting at.
Bosnia is recent enough history to be considered 'still' killing people.

And there may be others we haven't heard about yet. Took a while for the rest of the world to catch on to Bosnia.
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Westboro baptist church

See how fun it is to label a whole religion using the acts of a few

Timothy McVeigh ring any bells?
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The events there over the course of just 2 years is pretty telling of where our President's allegiance is. Feel free to correct me if I have gotten any of this wrong: Hosni Mubarak was in power for years, keeping things relatively quiet in Egypt, compared to the rest of the Middle East and Northern Africa. Obama didn't like him much, so he throws his support to the "Muslim Brotherhood", who have had ties to terrorists for over 80 or so years, including helping the Nazis in WW2. Mubarak is removed from power 2 years ago and imprisoned, and the Muslim Brotherhood leaders win a questionable election shortly after that, in what was called the "Arab Spring". Obama shows his support for the Brotherhood by sending them billions of dollars in aid, as well as F-16 fighters and battle tanks, amid protests from members of Congress. Brotherhood does their best to make life miserable for Christians while in power, as well as professing their wish for the destruction of Israel. Time goes by and the Egyptians get fed up with the Brotherhood and the lack of democracy in their country, and the Egyptian military conducts a coup to remove the Brotherhood from power a few weeks ago. Some Egyptians even want Mubarak freed and back in charge, and the Brotherhood responds with bloodshed, murdering anyone who opposes them, and destroying as many Christian churches as it can along the way. Obama responds by stopping all aid to Egypt.

Those of us who are paying attention get even more confirmation of who's side our President is really on. As long as the guys with ties to terrorists are in charge Obama send them a shiatload of aid, but when they are no longer in power, the aid stops immediately.
Mostly accurate except for a few details.

Mubarak was generally considered a dictator. He kept thing quiet by maintaining "emergency rule" through out his reign. He did a decent job of running the country, but there was not freedom.

The weapon shipment that Obama gave Egypt as a "show of support" for the Muslim Brotherhood was actually a shipment promised by an earlier President. It would have been a tough call to deny it just because of who won the election. We would have looked like awful hypocrites if we promote democratic elections but then withdraw our support to a country because we don't like who won the election.

Every election is "questionable" depending on who you ask. I can not find anything that this one was any more so than others.

And it does not appear that aid to Egypt has completely stopped. Some have been stopped or delayed, which is to be expected given the situation, but there was no "immediate stop" of aid.
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Are we really comparing the Westboro Baptist Church (a lone "church" who's members are comprised mostly of a single family) and a lone crazy man, Timothy McVeigh (who is constantly brought out as a modern "Christian" terrorist) to a religion that to this very day teaches it's followers to "strike down" the infidels?

What McVeigh did had nothing to do with religion. Check his own words:

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In his letter, McVeigh said he was an agnostic but that he would “improvise, adapt and overcome”, if it turned out there was an afterlife. “If I’m going to hell,” he wrote, “I’m gonna have a lot of company.”
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I have yet to hear of a real Christian school teaching it's children to hate all other religions and that to die killing an infidel is something to aspire to.

When you have large groups of people associated with a single faith there are going to be problems now and then, but as pointed out earlier in this thread, name another religion that is STILL teaching hate.
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I went to catholic school. I don't pretend to be a good catholic or much of a Christian. But I do not recall any teaching of hate or killing non believers.
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Are we really comparing the Westboro Baptist Church (a lone "church" who's members are comprised mostly of a single family) and a lone crazy man, Timothy McVeigh (who is constantly brought out as a modern "Christian" terrorist) to a religion that to this very day teaches it's followers to "strike down" the infidels?

What McVeigh did had nothing to do with religion. Check his own words:



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I have yet to hear of a real Christian school teaching it's children to hate all other religions and that to die killing an infidel is something to aspire to.

When you have large groups of people associated with a single faith there are going to be problems now and then, but as pointed out earlier in this thread, name another religion that is STILL teaching hate.
You see the hypocrisy yet? I really hope you can see it by now.




Hitler was raised catholic. What about Northern Ireland? Islamic terrorists?
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Has anyone here been raised muslim, or gone to Islamic schools and has first hand knowledge of this 'teaching of hate', or are you going by media reports and excerpt from the Koran. Because Christians get mighty upset about things taken out of context in the Bible.

http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/...ning-to-Death/
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Has anyone here been raised muslim, or gone to Islamic schools and has first hand knowledge of this 'teaching of hate', or are you going by media reports and excerpt from the Koran. Because Christians get mighty upset about things taken out of context in the Bible.

http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/...ning-to-Death/
Christians do not stone people and I don't know of any that get upset. They may correct people that take it out of context but nobody gets beheaded.
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Keep in mind that Islam is at about the same period in it's history that Christianity was during the Crusades.

Not saying it's right, just saying that Islam may not be a fully mature religion, much like Christianity had a period where certain religious leaders took a 'convert or die' stance.
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