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Old August 21st, 2013, 02:53 PM   #81
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FYI- I often throw bait just to see what I can catch.
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Old August 21st, 2013, 03:05 PM   #82
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But you are not a masterdebater
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Old August 21st, 2013, 03:46 PM   #84
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Look at the common components of what is considered a religion and see if atheism stacks up.
I would have to say Atheism is a mindset, not a religion. Unless Atheists start telepathically communicating their desires to nobody and perform rituallistc chants and body movements in a non-sensical way to induce something, I would have a hard time accepting Athesim as a religion.
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Old August 21st, 2013, 03:55 PM   #85
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Nope. I'm not convinced I'm right about anything, so I can not make arguments that will convince anyone else that I'm right about anything.
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Old August 21st, 2013, 04:35 PM   #86
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Since I don't believe in him I did not see my statement as arrogant at all, I simply felt his unwillingness to think that there is a way other than his word was closedminded, or even arrogant looking back. Hence why I didn't really think my statement deserved the term arrogant.
I get that, out of the context of dis-belief, you can say that. However, in the opposite context, it seems pretty arrogant because he's the creator of the universe. He spoke planets into existence and breathed live into each one of us. To question weather his great plan is really the best way to go is like a 2 year old questioning thier parents about being able to play in the street or not. If God is big enough to create the Universe then his understanding must be far greater then ours.


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That's fair, but doesn't do what? I mean I get the whole he didn't save my sister so I dont believe, thats crap, god isn't "there" to just save everyone, that's not what I gather true believers expect him to do. .... I choose not to believe simply because it all seems very "made up" to me, it doesn't mean I am right or wrong, I just tend to live in a more we make our own bed kinda world, a we make things happen for ourselves, I am not one to believe in miracles, or prayer, or any of that, that's just my choice.
You're free to make those choices. I can't force you, by any means of argument, to change that either. But there are people who refuse to believe in God because there is suffering in the world, becuase good people die, etc. That seems ludicrious to me. Either there is no God and life just happens (suck it up, there's nothing you can do about it) or there is a God who has a plan for everything. JMO.

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And that is fair, I myself on the other hand didn't have those experiences, likely because I have chosen not to believe in him, making it nearly impossible if he exists, to show himself to me....
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I would still view them as contradictions, at face value. Read between the lines, and they really aren't. However I'm an engineer, so when it comes to things in print, I view it black & white.

The four gospels aren't the only examples of contradiction out of the bible. Again, not a big deal if you don't take the bible literally. I know you probably don't, as you probably don't believe Adam & Eve truly existed. Aber on the other hand, believes the world is only a few thousand years old because the bible says so.....
GM, the contradictions you brought up are not contradictions at all. They are the view of two different people.
Just like somebody would see one thing and somebody else would see a little different.
You would see a red car and I might see it as burgundy. This is not a contradiction.
As for dinosaurs, how do drawings on cave walls appear millions of years AFTER the dinosaurs died off?
Closer to 6 thousand years actually according to the bible.
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I would have to say Atheism is a mindset, not a religion. Unless Atheists start telepathically communicating their desires to nobody and perform rituallistc chants and body movements in a non-sensical way to induce something, I would have a hard time accepting Athesim as a religion.
I would say that atheism is simply the default position on the topic of religion for a skeptic. There are just so many other things to be skeptical of. It'd be like saying that not believing in sasquatch was an overall mindset. Replace the word "atheism" with "skepticism" in what i quoted and I would agree.
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I would say that atheism is simply the default position on the topic of religion for a skeptic. There are just so many other things to be skeptical of. It'd be like saying that not believing in sasquatch was an overall mindset. Replace the word "atheism" with "skepticism" in what i quoted and I would agree.
I agree with this . I tend to be very skeptical. I need empirical data confirming the existence of everything. In fact, prove you exist.
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At least the people who worshiped the sun god got the sustaining of life part right. How something you could observe and feel got replaced with a book is probably one of the best sales strategies in history. When people go away for bad things does the church go out of it's way to return donated money to keep from having a impure bank account?
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If I loaded up all the homeless in Detroit onto buses in mid february, would the churches in oakland, birmingham, ect open their heated empty churches so the people would have a place to stay?
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Nope. I'm not convinced I'm right about anything, so I can not make arguments that will convince anyone else that I'm right about anything.
I was trying to make it sounds like masterbating. Joke fail
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I agree with this . I tend to be very skeptical. I need empirical data confirming the existence of everything. In fact, prove you exist.
Were you skeptical that the chair you sat in a moment ago was capable of holding you up? Did you have empirical data confirming its capabilities before you plopped down?
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Were you skeptical that the chair you sat in a moment ago was capable of holding you up? Did you have empirical data confirming its capabilities before you plopped down?
If you ever saw me, you would know this to be true....
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Were you skeptical that the chair you sat in a moment ago was capable of holding you up? Did you have empirical data confirming its capabilities before you plopped down?
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
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I was trying to make it sounds like masterbating. Joke fail
No, that I'm good at. Lots of practice.
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No, that I'm good at. Lots of practice.
That explains the firm and vigorous handshake.
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That explains the firm and vigorous handshake.
I'm never having another bowl of Bruce's chili.
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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Exactly my point. We need more proof before we sit down at the computer! I don't trust chairs until I go through vigorous scientific tests.
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Exactly my point. We need more proof before we sit down at the computer! I don't trust chairs until I go through vigorous scientific tests.
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