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Old August 31st, 2013, 07:54 PM   #281
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Certainly some roads are narrow. But not all of them and we are all on different roads.

I am not trying to "come to the Father." Maybe wait until someone asks for directions before giving them.



Well, there is more than 1 right track. It is a bit short sighted and judgemental to suggest anyone on a track that leads anywhere but to God, is on the wrong track.

Who is the enemy and why is a non believer doomed to be damned?

You see, its not about believing or not believing in God... Its the passing of judgment by believers that non believers are on the wrong path... Now let this sink in, please... For no other reason than they are non believers.

When I walk past a church and I see happy people living their lives in a way that makes them happy, I don't feel compelled to tell them that the life they have chosen is wrong and they will be nothing because they have chosen to believe in God. Extend that courtesy to non believers and we will all get along alot better.
I know what your saying, but I have rarely had a problem with that. I can think of only a handful of times where someone approached me uninvited and started telling me about Jesus, and never had one persist after telling them I didn't want to hear what they had to say.
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I know what your saying, but I have rarely had a problem with that. I can think of only a handful of times where someone approached me uninvited and started telling me about Jesus, and never had one persist after telling them I didn't want to hear what they had to say.
In the age of the internet, that conversation no longer has to happen face to face.
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Never had a problem online either.
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Never had a problem online either.
I wouldn't classify it as a "problem."

Just annoying and sometimes hypocritical.

Heres an example from a page or so back....

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Lets put it this way. I see you' re on the train tracks and I know the train is coming but you don't. I will do everything to convince you to get off the tracks. I can't grab you and force you to do anything but I will try and convince you it's time to get off the tracks and save yourself.
As Christians we see and know the train is coming but non believers don't even know their on the tracks, let alone that there is a train coming.
If you thought that your life was in danger wouldn't you want to get off the tracks?
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The danger you are afraid of is not shared by everyone. There is a simplistic beauty in the fact that we are all individuals. Not believing in God is not equal to being in danger or needing to be saved.
Just because you don't believe, it does not make it any less true.
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Just because you don't believe, it does not make it any less true.
True to who?
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True to who?
There is truth and there is lie.
There is good and there is evil
There is right and there is wrong.
There is only one truth.
According to God.
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I wouldn't classify it as a "problem."

Just annoying and sometimes hypocritical.

Heres an example from a page or so back....
This is a thread about religion in a sub-forum devoted to "Politics, Government, or Religion". I started it with hopes of having a discussion like the one that is taking place. You voluntarily came to the thread and read it under your own free will. Nothing has been forced on anyone. We all chose to read what other wrote.

If something annoys you feel free to stop reading it.
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This is a thread about religion in a sub-forum devoted to "Politics, Government, or Religion". I started it with hopes of having a discussion like the one that is taking place. You voluntarily came to the thread and read it under your own free will. Nothing has been forced on anyone. We all chose to read what other wrote.

If something annoys you feel free to stop reading it.
I don't see alot of discussion based on the intent of your first post. Its turned into what all religious threads turn into.
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There is truth and there is lie.
There is good and there is evil
There is right and there is wrong.
There is only one truth.
According to God.
Whose God?

Are you aware that you have an issue with staying on track? Every answer to every question that is posed to you has the universal "God" answer.

Do you have any original thoughts? Or is the article in the first post true and you are doing your best to prove it so?
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There is good and there is evil
There is right and there is wrong.
There is only one truth.
According to God.
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The struggle between good and evil is the primal disease of the mind.

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I don't see alot of discussion based on the intent of your first post. Its turned into what all religious threads turn into.
I had no specific intent beyond a discussion about why people do or don't believe. I am happy with the direction the thread has gone.
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Whose God?

Are you aware that you have an issue with staying on track? Every answer to every question that is posed to you has the universal "God" answer.

Do you have any original thoughts? Or is the article in the first post true and you are doing your best to prove it so?
The One God to everybody. He is my God and your God. You may not want it to be true but there will be a day when you will be forced to accept it.
I have no problem staying on track, I just answer to the best of my ability questions thrown out there.
Why would God grant greater intelligence to non believers as opposed to Christians?
There are plenty of Christians who are very successful and smart they just don't find a need to boast about it.
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The big one that I never got a satisfactory answer to was this:

Who, or What, created God?
Are you more comfortable asking who or what created matter that lead to the big bang?
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The One God to everybody.
This is how wars are started.

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He is my God and your God.
Just as Obama is your president. You may not want it to be true, but it is.

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You may not want it to be true but there will be a day when you will be forced to accept it.
Forced to accept what and in what way will the forcing take place?

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I have no problem staying on track, I just answer to the best of my ability questions thrown out there.
I suppose if your only answer is based on your beliefs, you are right on track. Problem is, yours isn't the only answer. Your lack of ability to look at the other side and just admit it exists, and thrives, is clouding your vision.

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Why would God grant greater intelligence to non believers as opposed to Christians?
IMO, the premise of the article in the OP is just one side flaming the other. Ultimately, what difference does it make?

However, IMO, you are proving the point.

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There are plenty of Christians who are very successful and smart they just don't find a need to boast about it.
Whos denying or suggesting otherwise?

I suppose, if you want to try to convince others to have an open mind when it comes to religion, its best to not used a closed mind to try to accomplish that goal.
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This is how wars are started.

I suppose if people allow the war to be about religion which has been in the past. As for now we have the Islamic religion wanting to conquer the world and the people that don't want it fighting against it and defending themselves from Islamic terrorists.



Just as Obama is your president. You may not want it to be true, but it is.

I know barry is the president of this country and yes it is true.

Forced to accept what and in what way will the forcing take place?

You will be forced to answer for what you have done with your life. Christ will judge you and everybody else. Depending on were your heart is, if you believe that Jesus is who he said he is or not. That will depend on where you spend the rest of eternity.


I suppose if your only answer is based on your beliefs, you are right on track. Problem is, yours isn't the only answer. Your lack of ability to look at the other side and just admit it exists, and thrives, is clouding your vision.

I know the other side does exist. I used to travel that path. Glad I'm not going down the old road anymore.



IMO, the premise of the article in the OP is just one side flaming the other. Ultimately, what difference does it make?

However, IMO, you are proving the point.



Whos denying or suggesting otherwise?

I suppose, if you want to try to convince others to have an open mind when it comes to religion, its best to not used a closed mind to try to accomplish that goal.
If anybody has a closed mind I would say it is you. You refuse to see things from the Christian point of view.
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Are you more comfortable asking who or what created matter that lead to the big bang?
Actually, yes. Because there are scientists working on this now, and are hoping to find an answer through observation with better equipment.

Even if the ultimate answer turns out to be 'we don't know', I find that more acceptable than saying 'you need faith'.... which is just another way of saying 'I don't know either, but trust me it was God'.

And personally, I don't really care how the universe was formed, or how it will end. I wasn't there for the former, and I won't be around for the latter.
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If anybody has a closed mind I would say it is you. You refuse to see things from the Christian point of view.
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And you know exactly what my experience regarding religion is, how?

You see... The difference between myself and you is I do not vocally, or otherwise, feel compelled to tell believers they are doing it wrong. I don't condemn what you believe.

Its the condescension in how you present it.

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I suppose if people allow the war to be about religion which has been in the past. As for now we have the Islamic religion wanting to conquer the world and the people that don't want it fighting against it and defending themselves from Islamic terrorists.
So in a counter argument to my statement, you bring up another religion that is, for all intents and purposes, intolerant of other religions and those who do not believe?

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I know barry is the president of this country and yes it is true.
Then why all the wailing and moaning about him? Or am I mistaking you for another person? If so, I apologize.

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You will be forced to answer for what you have done with your life.
Answer to who?

And how does my belief or disbelief in a God end up being a determining factor in how I live my life? You keep alluding to the notion that only God fearing folk can lead righteous lives. My life and its path will be judged by the family I leave behind.

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Christ will judge you and everybody else. Depending on were your heart is, if you believe that Jesus is who he said he is or not. That will depend on where you spend the rest of eternity.
I will more than likely be buried after I die, which is where I will spend what you call eternity.

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I know the other side does exist. I used to travel that path. Glad I'm not going down the old road anymore.
Its good that you found something to believe in.

But believe it or not, there are people who do not need religion to be good, decent people. We are not deficient because we lack a presence of God in our lives. Its not a matter of understanding your religion or why/how you ended up where you are. Frankly I don't care. It would be nice if folks such as yourself cared as much about my life path as I do yours.
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I heard a funny analogy a while back:

Let's replace the word 'God' with 'ice cream'.

You found ice cream that was so good it had to be shared. You brought this ice cream to all your friends, and many of your friends agreed, the ice cream was the best thing ever. Then, you discovered that you had some friends that were lactose intolerant....
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